Message from @MKSmash
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Let me see what I can find
Ok sure
"The person must show Christian virtues, at least to an ordinary extent, before and after offering their life. They must have a 'reputation for holiness'at least after their death. They must have performed a miracle. This is a major difference from the 'martyrdom'category, which does not require a miracle."
Found that online
Well in the bible, Saints is anyone who has a living relationship with God through his mercy and grace expressed in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. @MKSmash
> Well in the bible, Saints is anyone who has a living relationship with God through his mercy and grace expressed in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. @MKSmash
@DeButcher a saint has to be dead. Where did you find/learn this?
It doesn't
Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
So my bishop closed down all the churches in the diocese because there has been a “spike” in COVID cases. Even though it is only in the big city of our diocese and not in the rest of the counties in our diocese
> It doesn't
> Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
@MKSmash
Who established it?
What do you mean?
Who established the rules for sainthood?
Yeah
Dont understand why the Catholic add things to Christianity.
Catholicism didn't add to Christianity, christianity added to Catholicism 😂
I don't know who did the rules, I just know official canonizations began in the 10th century
I meant add things in the religion
What did they add
> It doesn't
> Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
@MKSmash
Oh now I see what you mean
Idk
I guess to honor holy people that have helped the church
What's the problem with adding a system to honor then
Nothing wrong to respecting saints. But yall tend to glorify these people
After all they are just humans
Sure
But humans are pretty important things
Eh no, only God is important
Well
We're created in the image and likeness of God
We are his most important creation, made for glorifying him
And earlier you talked about praying to saints. Just a heads they cant do anything to help your cause.
Read about Rich man and Lazarus
They can do just as much as my best friend or brother can
We can just appeal to God
Only people that living atm
Nope, they still can even though they are physically dead
Proof from the bible?
Like I said, very little about Saints in the Bible
This is something Tradition has to handle
Tradition? Your statement is powerful. Saying tradition is not a good source. If its not in the bible then dont include it.
Bible is important than tradition
Sure, but we need tradition to interpret the Bible. This is the most stark difference between Protestant and Catholic: we give more credence to tradition.
It also doesn't say abortion is wrong in the Bible, but we know that to still be wrong
What the difference between Catholic and Jews during Jesus time then?
Both hold major importance to tradition