true. but then god forced our hands. forced jesus to die and left us with blood on our hands

You yourself may know this by your actions. If you “sincerely” ask God to forgive you but continue acting how you did before you clearly weren’t sincere. If you strive to follow God’s Word and Will you will see that there was sincerity to your plea

well. i don't necessarily believe in the christian or buddhist god, so i'm incline to disagree

So it is based on good vs bad deeds scale?

no. but how do you "know" if you're sincere enough?

Ok, God didn’t force Jesus to do anything. Jesus is also God, and Jesus CHOSE to die for us. I’m not seeing how Hod forced our hands either. We have a choice

in a way. you don't have the "good deeds will cancel out bad deeds". you have to go through and atone for every single bad deed you did

There is no “sincere enough.” The term “enough” here does nothing. Everyone follows God at different paces, what matters is that we “finish the race.” As I said before, by your actions it will be known whether you were sincere or not

In our bible, since the very beginning, God gave us a choice....we just chosed to screw it up. In his infinite power and wisdom he could've just put us on rails and dictated our every move and thoughts.

The Bible clearly outlines certain characteristics that will become manifest in a person

i don't know. how would you know if you truly love somebody? i love my parents, but how much of that is me tricking myself into thinking that i am? i don't think i did enough for my parents to prove my love for them

We as humans can’t atone for even a single “bad deed” we have committed.

Jesus was willing to take the burden because he loves us. Second point, trying to be perfect will never take you to heaven. You have to be perfect 💯, which is not possible.

That's basically what good people do. 👍

What proof could you give? If the option came would you do extreme things for your parents? How do you prove love?

Why not?

well. the angels, lucifer, made a conscious choice against god and he was punished. but lucifer was never had the offer to redemption

Sorry I'm catching up on all the previous text

which is what i'm asking about god. i honestly don't know if things hit the fan i can overcome my cowardice.

@isoboto honestly lambton is right here, one of the devils most effective weapons is doubt. The same questions you ask yourself about love and sincerity provide stumbling blocks to me. These are the devils weapons against humanity and they are even outlined in the Bible as such.

That establishes culpability, he (lucifer) willingly and purposely disobeyed.

satan sows a lot of doubts, that's for sure

Peter, the rock upon whom the church was built, was a coward

@isoboto each of Jesus’ twelve original disciples were cowards

I’m a coward

true. but we did, too, no? we went against god's rule

Yes we did

How is the discussion going

U should establish culpability too. Sometimes by mistake and sometimes on purpose.

pretty good, i think?

*the doors of hell are locked from the inside*

Ok just checking in

Jump in...were getting along famously. 🍻

Lol

fair. especially if you're coming from the perspective of "you should only accept his offering grace"

We don’t actually know that satan was never offered redemption. We also know that satan is the root of sin and that what he did was a lot worse than what he did. There is actually one sin which is so bad that it will not be forgiven, maybe because those who commit this sin will never accept forgiveness or be capable of repentance. This may very well be the case with Lucifer and his demons

apparently to a demonologist online satan doesn't even want me <:KEK:726877368601411624> i'm a lost soul

Yup, he extends His hand...and all we need to do is grab on.

I know

ha. or maybe the sin is not accepting forgiveness itself

reminds me of the drowning man who refused to take the helping hands lol 😂