Why not?

well. the angels, lucifer, made a conscious choice against god and he was punished. but lucifer was never had the offer to redemption

Sorry I'm catching up on all the previous text

which is what i'm asking about god. i honestly don't know if things hit the fan i can overcome my cowardice.

@isoboto honestly lambton is right here, one of the devils most effective weapons is doubt. The same questions you ask yourself about love and sincerity provide stumbling blocks to me. These are the devils weapons against humanity and they are even outlined in the Bible as such.

That establishes culpability, he (lucifer) willingly and purposely disobeyed.

satan sows a lot of doubts, that's for sure

Peter, the rock upon whom the church was built, was a coward

@isoboto each of Jesus’ twelve original disciples were cowards

I’m a coward

true. but we did, too, no? we went against god's rule

Yes we did

How is the discussion going

U should establish culpability too. Sometimes by mistake and sometimes on purpose.

pretty good, i think?

*the doors of hell are locked from the inside*

Ok just checking in

Jump in...were getting along famously. 🍻

Lol

fair. especially if you're coming from the perspective of "you should only accept his offering grace"

We don’t actually know that satan was never offered redemption. We also know that satan is the root of sin and that what he did was a lot worse than what he did. There is actually one sin which is so bad that it will not be forgiven, maybe because those who commit this sin will never accept forgiveness or be capable of repentance. This may very well be the case with Lucifer and his demons

apparently to a demonologist online satan doesn't even want me <:KEK:726877368601411624> i'm a lost soul

Yup, he extends His hand...and all we need to do is grab on.

I know

ha. or maybe the sin is not accepting forgiveness itself

reminds me of the drowning man who refused to take the helping hands lol 😂

Baptism by water does nothing to cleanse you of your sins

i meant, as in the "original sin"

No the sin is “blaspheming against the Holy Spirit” however most people don’t even know what this means

Yeah, that's a great analogy of purposely rejecting God.

planning a (failed) coup against God is one 😂

Why eles did he die on the cross?

This may very well be the case, I wasn’t there at the time but I’ll know when I get to Heaven I think

I already stated this

i mean, we never actually know about it? the bible (at least the version i've), don't say the specific about the original sin aside from "the apple"

By this, I know I’m going to Heaven but even when I’m there I might not figure out all the details

No Jesus cleaned out dirty hands

Please reference which message lol too many sent

To open the gates of heaven. Heaven wasn't open for business before Jesus opened it. He also opened them for all the "heroes" of the old testament waiting in "limbo" (abraham's bossom).

what do you do when you come to heaven, though? what do you become? a mindless spirit worshipping god? or free? how does heaven even works?

Wait are you catholic?