Freedom is a spectrum @isoboto

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Sure. My point was in more advanced countries where they try really hard to make people "equal" and are perceived as already reached that place, women tend to, surprisingly, revert back to traditional roles

Not to the extent of unequal places tho

No. Freedom is an illusion. If it's a spectrum, you are implying you have maximum and minimum freedom, which is untrue and objective

I'd say you can definitely have a maximum and minimum freedom

Sure. But, again, as i was saying. Cultures shift doesnt necessarily mean we rid ourselves of our biological need or incline completely

There’s total freedom which is never possible. Than there’s slavery. Are you saying that’s max and min freedom?

I was referring to death and death @2Lazy2BeOriginal

Nope. You never can have maximum freedom. It is in your brain

Why cant you have maximum freedom @isoboto

Death, again, can be seen as a temporal stop in the endless cycle of life, if you are looking at it from the culture lens

Wait death?

Because it is almost impossible. Even assuming you are under an utopia where the government is nice and all that, you are still controlled and driven by how your brain works.

Who says maximun freedom requires a government

Even without the government lmao

If you are in the wild by yourself, your brain and body just doesnt kick off and relax

Still follow the same pattern of needs

if your in the wild your brain is hardwired to search for food

Assuming I understand isoboto. You would be restricted by nature

I dont think the ability of thought influences your freedom negatively, the way you think doesnt make you less free

Me having a random thought doesnt mean im losing freedom points

Thats really just a nonsense point

Oh yeah. Nature is the cruelest of all lol

"You cant be free because you still think"

Your thinking can still restrict you. It's called mental prison

Even though you can do whatever. You still have to worry about nature being a brat and it restricts how you perceive freedom

This is assuming freedom is having no worries

And apparently you cant escape a mental prison?

Wdym?

You cant escape your worries?

oh you can have momentarily escape your worries but when you get out of the relaxed state. You will still have it

No, you can't. Don't know where you live but living in the wild without the government doesn't automatically make your stomach full

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But if you had an abundance of those things and your stomach was full you wouldnt escape it?

You would also have boredom to overcome and there’s also predators to worry about. Weather too

Who is providing food for you? Moreover, an unsimulated brain will turn you into mush and useless. If maximum freedom means there ia nothing to strive or achieve, that sounds terrible. For a day or two, there may be no worries of hunger, but it will return. Human natures would soon dictates that the person start finding flaws in the perfect system and fixing up things

I would say you copied me but since you put it so well, that I won’t disputed it

These are entirely hypothetical so just hypothetically if someone had all their needs and more could they escape it?

Like pure happiness and no stress?

Like swiss family robinson