Message from @ManOWar
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What morals are u talking about
Positivism heavily influenced Western morals
Such as?
The belief in truth
The belief in presumption of innocence
Hol up, I'll need to write a list
But i need to be on pc for that
The English Bill of Rights formed the basis of a secular government and the formation of the American bill of rights
@ManOWar The founding fathers were christians!!!!!!
Religion teaches certain morals but moral fabric has been changed by the irreligious movements many times
They go together
Truth is a word that points to the achievement of ones goals, so truth is only important for the goals you are going for. For example if you want to be fatter the truth is you have to eat more. If you want to be skinnier the truth is you either have to eat less or expend more energy.
You can't have one without the other
So I say all that to say what truth are you pursuing
Me?
Or just in general
Yes in a way I’m putting you in a position as a teacher and I am trying to validate your teachings
Without religion their is no reason to be moral
Without religion only power matters
Truth is kind of a big category
What is the specific thing
I know that’s why I said that long paragraph before, it was to say what is the truth you are pursuing
Yeah I get what you meant
By truth
But that was just defining truth
Like truth in what regard. I can go and find out what is true in a lot of different cases
@Flame of truth Eros incorrect, the collective matters and or your own beliefs matter altho the total loss of religion typically leads to violence and stuff like that for example the communist country's witch suppressed religion as a whole the 2 are intertwined but not dependent of one another
also, now that i am on pc
@ManOWar Yes I defined it so you can tell me the truth that would enable you to reach your goals.
@Mr.Black I agree with you I am religious
You're still being really vague. I don't know what that means
@Mr.Black I became religious by studying every known type of thought and seeing where they headed
>X
Which religion?
I wish
Plus theirs no way to prove how the world was created
what's up kids
So even scientists have a sort of religion
the ideal that if you work you deserve pay in some way shape or form has nothing to do with religion, the ideal that if someone does harm to you, you should be able to do at least the same out of harm back in a justice setting you know "eye for an eye"and those are just 2 basic principals that don't come from religion