The belief in truth

The belief in presumption of innocence

Hol up, I'll need to write a list

But i need to be on pc for that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

The English Bill of Rights formed the basis of a secular government and the formation of the American bill of rights

@ManOWar The founding fathers were christians!!!!!!

Religion teaches certain morals but moral fabric has been changed by the irreligious movements many times

They go together

Truth is a word that points to the achievement of ones goals, so truth is only important for the goals you are going for. For example if you want to be fatter the truth is you have to eat more. If you want to be skinnier the truth is you either have to eat less or expend more energy.

You can't have one without the other

So I say all that to say what truth are you pursuing

Me?

Or just in general

Yes in a way I’m putting you in a position as a teacher and I am trying to validate your teachings

Without religion their is no reason to be moral

Without religion only power matters

Okay. That's a pretty vague question though

Truth is kind of a big category

What is the specific thing

I know that’s why I said that long paragraph before, it was to say what is the truth you are pursuing

Yeah I get what you meant

By truth

But that was just defining truth

Like truth in what regard. I can go and find out what is true in a lot of different cases

@Flame of truth Eros incorrect, the collective matters and or your own beliefs matter altho the total loss of religion typically leads to violence and stuff like that for example the communist country's witch suppressed religion as a whole the 2 are intertwined but not dependent of one another

also, now that i am on pc

@ManOWar Yes I defined it so you can tell me the truth that would enable you to reach your goals.

@Mr.Black I agree with you I am religious

You're still being really vague. I don't know what that means

@Mr.Black I became religious by studying every known type of thought and seeing where they headed

>X

Which religion?

I wish

Plus theirs no way to prove how the world was created

what's up kids

So even scientists have a sort of religion

the ideal that if you work you deserve pay in some way shape or form has nothing to do with religion, the ideal that if someone does harm to you, you should be able to do at least the same out of harm back in a justice setting you know "eye for an eye"and those are just 2 basic principals that don't come from religion

@Andrew The Meme King I think this is not going to go anywhere

wdym?

I'ma dip into mod chat cuz I'm too tired for this objective vs. subjective morality shit