They go together like peanut butter and jam

@Mr.Black yup, the so called "conservatives" are basically useless ...what did they actually conserve ?

I was on r/gendercritical

Hilarious shit

@Flame of truth Eros no, you can have morals without religion but religion has been used to hold morals together

Historically speaking

@Mr.Black how?

Religion doesn't equal tradition

And vice versa

^

@conker They conserved their own cowardice

All our morals come from Christian or Greco Roman and their both religious

@ManOWar True im just saying that they go pretty well together

That's not true at all

@Flame of truth Eros that's incorrect

Explain

@Punished Korgoth yeah

@ManOWar ''muh judeo christrian values''

What morals are u talking about

Positivism heavily influenced Western morals

Such as?

The belief in truth

The belief in presumption of innocence

Hol up, I'll need to write a list

But i need to be on pc for that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

The English Bill of Rights formed the basis of a secular government and the formation of the American bill of rights

@ManOWar The founding fathers were christians!!!!!!

Religion teaches certain morals but moral fabric has been changed by the irreligious movements many times

They go together

Truth is a word that points to the achievement of ones goals, so truth is only important for the goals you are going for. For example if you want to be fatter the truth is you have to eat more. If you want to be skinnier the truth is you either have to eat less or expend more energy.

You can't have one without the other

So I say all that to say what truth are you pursuing

Me?

Or just in general

Yes in a way I’m putting you in a position as a teacher and I am trying to validate your teachings

Without religion their is no reason to be moral

Without religion only power matters

Okay. That's a pretty vague question though

Truth is kind of a big category

What is the specific thing