The Vatican? Maybe the Pope was behind Epstein's suicide too.

Would you agree everything would’ve been completely alleviated if all of the access to audit signatures, software and hardware was allowed? No raid on the Capitol?

to a certain extent maybe, I wouldn't go as far as to say it would make everyone calm down completely. I know Sen. Lankford said he hoped other members would join in being able to start an initiative to help states better secure and protect their elections but even he said after the raid that there was no chance of that happening.

'See what you made me do?'

Classy.

No... I would not, because every election dispute in history has been resolved by recounts. That is the only legal remedy specified in any election. The difference in this case was the refusal by Donald Trump to accept the official results of the election. He had his days in court. They were unable to produce any amount of evidence to substantiate fraud - and there WERE cases where evidence was presented and accommodations made. No election in history was there a duplicated ballots audit as done in AZ or a signature audit as done in GA or a "forensic audit" as was agreed to in MI..

But the biggest indicator that there was no fraud is that there have been absolutely 0 arrests of anyone who is believed to have been involved with voter fraud of any scale for the presidential election. And criminal investigations do not require court authorizations. Law enforcement (which apparently 100% endorsed Trump) could and probably did attempt to follow up on allegations of voter fraud. If these investigations were fruitful, there could have been subpoenas issued for access to whatever is needed for the criminal case. Plus, leads could be followed up by private investigators who are often used by lawyers trying to build a case. 9 weeks of access to supposed "overwhelming evidence" and not one cop or PI in the country could make a case.

So... No... Donald Trump was never going to concede. He was always going to assert a massive conspiracy against him. Lack of proof of fraud would only have been proof to him that it had all been covered up as part of the massive conspiracy against him. In my opinion, the blame for the attack on the Capital buildings falls mostly on Donald Trump and to a lesser degree on his supporters who failed to see and accept what was happening as concession after concession was made and none of it resulted in evidence of anything other than a well executed election.

Only small scale fraud occurred and I hope they are all prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Dedkraken covered this, but recounts are not conducted by the same people. There is bipartisan participation. In the hand count, they literally sit next to each other and have to agree on who the ballot was cast for.

Regarding Detroit... I was doing it by memory. I just checked and there are 503 precincts in Detroit and 134 AVCB's. I am not sure how many ballot configurations there are, but I know that in MI jurisdictions of 250 or more precincts are allowed to have ACVB's count multiple precincts. I have been unable to find a map of precincts to AVCB's, so it is hard to tell. I know that in Antrim County when they forgot to ad a race, the mistake impacted 3 precincts. So, I am guessing that in a more densely populated area it would likely be a similar ratio or slightly less - hence the guess of 250. In any case, it is a significant amount of variation in ballot composition. See: https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/statementnov20prez.pdf

The statement about flipping was specifically in regards to this Italy conspiracy theory where the Vatican theoretically provided access to their satellites so the CIA/FBI/MI6 under the direction of Barrack Obama from the US Italian embassy were able to remotely initiate vote switching... It's a ridiculous theory, in my opinion.

In the case of mass adjudication... This isn't a thing. All states require that adjudication be conducted by panels made up of representatives from all factions involved and an election official. And in regards to Antrim County... the logs were not deleted, they never existed, because Antrim does not do on-screen adjudication - they do adjudication by hand. Also, the SoS of MI conducted a full hand recount of Antrim County and determined that the final results were spot on, which proved without a doubt that the adjudications were conducted fairly and accurately.

Lastly, Trump won Antrim County by 4k votes. Why would they ever choose that county to gain access to those machines? Seems illogical to me.

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@BUD SMOKER, you just advanced to level 1!

What’s the tests that need done and remedy being sought on hardware software and signatures? Where is it supposed to happen nationwide? Who is going to do it? Every test that was allowed failed to prove anything and they just demanded more random odd tests because the next test and the next recount and the next lawsuit would “prove everything”. It’s always more and never enough evidence nothing happened

I wouldn't agree not after listening to the entire phone call between Trump and the GA sec of state. It was pretty obvious that Trump's mind was made up that he had won the state regardless of what the state officials (Republicans I might add) had to say or what evidence they offered to show him.

Does that include an investigation into the false water line break? Or what about the Republicans bein instructed to leave for the night and that counting was being halted and then the few staying and pulling out numerous cases from under a cloaked table and all returning to their perspective stations and returning to the count. You mean that? Oh yeah that's right nothing happened

You continue to spew b's why is that?

All the video is available in full for this time.

Can you answer those questions?

I assume that unspecified tests in unspecified locations will prove Trump won isn’t enough

Yes it does. The GA sec of state went over that in great detail in investigations. He made sure a TV station had all the video from that day, many hours, all timestamped and they went through every bit of it and came up with a detailed timeline. Every person in that video was interviewed by GBI (GA Bureau of Investigations). All the ballots and paperwork was accounted for. All the ballots were re-counted by hand NOT machines and the totals compared to what the machines got that night on that video. The ballots were even counted a third time by machine. And in the that phone call with the President, the GA sec of state offered to provide to him all this evidence. Go over it with his attorneys if needed. Offered to provide him the link of the video investigation and timeline and here's is Trump's response: "Trump: I don't care about the link. I don't need it. Brad, I have a much better link —" ... and on it goes, Trump doesn't care about searching out what is the true, he had already determined what he wanted the truth to be and pressured numerous folks to violate their oaths of office and "rig" the election after the count didn't go his way.

WE DEMAND ANSWERS (that we will selectively ignore).

I'm other news Sidney just got sued for 1.3 billion.

you statement "Trump won Antrim County by 4k votes. Why would they ever choose that county to gain access to those machines? Seems illogical to me." if you want why that was the place that Original 1st count went to Biden by 3000. people there was like thats odd and did a hand recount that provided the results that me see now. Dismissed as "Human Error" when they investigated they got once again "Nothing to see here" and here we are... 90% of my claim was not in direct dispute of yours just that it is not that black and white as it should be by now. but if you have miscounts to that degree with "Human error" what we saw in TCF would have been expected 30fold. now show us the ballots so that we might be able to fix it correctly for the next and see where we can or cannot do so...

The human error was in the way that they improperly handled the ballots with the missing race in 3 precincts. Rather than upload the new configuration to all of the voting machines, they only uploaded the updated ballot configurations to the voting stations in those three precincts. When they tried to process the ballots from those precincts, they were kicked out because the ballot definitions were out of sync. This resorted in a significant number of ballots not being processed correctly. When they realized the problem and were able to synchronize the definitions, they reprocessed them and all was good.

This is an example where the confirmation bias created in this election made them assume that there was foul play (in a Trump district) when there was nothing of the sort. But people will see boogeymen where they want to see boogeymen.

if you say so nothing needs to be Fixed and life from now on will just be unicorn farts. yea wee need unbias looks into all of this. you only see that there cannot be misfeasance and i still see goldfish voting...

Sounds like somebody is getting nervous. What you are describing is word for what regarding the current fraud video and statement yet you changed the facts the one the did an investigation of the Rome fraudulent vote actually indicates the the votes were sent all to biden

There are several video and statements out today

Not sure who you think is nervous... I am more than confident in my opinions I've been commenting on the "Italy Did It" nonsense for days... You can see my posts at length. You can start here, if you like: https://discordapp.com/channels/760945067107680286/772982351520333824/797015402055073792

@TaLoN132 how do you explain those usb drives with 6k votes? where's that from?

Are you referring to the ones in GA that were found during the canvass?

yeah, I think those are the ones

Those were always going to be found. Every state goes through a canvassing process to make sure that the number of ballots cast aligned with the number of individuals known to have voted. It shouldn't happen, but this was only the second time with a whole new election system.

You know I was talking to a friend of mine today in Florida both of us are from NY state her upstate me the city....I am currently in Georgia.....I have seen such blatant disrespect for the Constitution.......okay so now our government is blue........we can throw them the rope and pray they hang themselves if they do we may have a shot in 2 years to roll the senate red...hopefully not too much damage done in 2 years, and if so my reverse some of it......It will be an easier feta to roll the senate than to try to get the next presidential to be a republican.......we will need 2 things : a rising star (aka another Trump like Republican-non establishment) to run for president to continue the type of republican party we need to run the government, and we will also need the electoral process to be overhauled specifically in GA/PA/MI/WI/AZ/NV and get rid of every dominion machine in the country......big feat that should be our focus put the electoral process back to what the original state constitution has written for each state and find a Star.......

so I'm right in my thinking that no one disputes that there were usbs which flipped some votes?

when I google now it just shows left leaning websites debunking the existance of usb sticks

Well Kaiser they pocketed the usb's and shredded all ballots in Fulton GA we will never know... we have a corrupt judge/s Stacy Abrams sister and other crazy stuff going on....need to get rind of gov Kemp and sec of state brad to start out will replace with normal senator

you left out the part where 2 of the counters are clearly seen running the same stack of ballots through the scanners 3 and 4 times before moving on. All part of the legit proccess though 🤣

You can think of no legitimate means in which this may have to be done? Oof.

Language, mister!

I think he was unbanned yesterday? Dunno if he got permabanned.

Saw him tweeting this morning.

Show me them rules then?

SFW and non-18+ language, because the channel is marked as PG.

He was but it was just made permanent