Message from @Lil Pastaa
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a business doesnt just pay some of its employees, it pays all of them, the government pays some people not all people
In exchange for taxation
And also imprisons people in poverty traps.
Irrelevant
"Irrelevant".
Except you can't choose another service.
You can... move...
Ah yes. The 'just move lol' argument.
move from my favorite country venezuela who benefited so much from socialism, nah im good
im tryna eat rocks and dogs
Also, How the fuck is taxation work? Isn't this basicly. The government taking, and giving back, and taking from you, in a cycle?
Additionally, many governments allow you to opt-out of social programs. Making this programs optional. Public healthcare in general being an example.
Yeah, as a form of resource distribution because we've either democratically decided it, or an authoritarian imposed it. Sometimes both.
I wish to abolish taxation eventually too y'know
"Resource redistribution".
does not spur an economy
Literally can but okay
Yeah because. Simply regorgitating wealth around and creating no more wealth sure helps everyone.
what grows an economy is a market system that creates new products and services that serves the consumers
I mean
socialism worked so well in venezuela didnt it
VENEZUELA WAS CAPITALIST HAHAHHAHAHA
What gets in the way of people. Is always government.
Market is established through voluntary relations between individuals, and should be kept as such.
no they were not
Love the venezuela memes
not at all
Yes they were
Literally had privately owned business
Just nationalized the oil industry
Ok? And they were better then.
wrong
They were the richest in south America and had way better conditions.
Okay, so could you own a privately owned business and operate this business for personal profit in Venezuela. Yes or no.
they socialized agriculture, redistributed all the profits, people who benefited left and the country is now in a shit fuck because of it
*nationalized
Different than socialized, incidentally. Social democrats like to pretend state ownership is collective ownership which is a funny meme
I'm a socialist, I don't want the state owning shit my dude
They ***used*** to be 'capitalist' once.
There's footage of Hugo Chaves leading people to appropriate of other people's property.