Message from @Signia
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Yeah because. Simply regorgitating wealth around and creating no more wealth sure helps everyone.
what grows an economy is a market system that creates new products and services that serves the consumers
I mean
socialism worked so well in venezuela didnt it
where the money is worthless and people eat dogs
VENEZUELA WAS CAPITALIST HAHAHHAHAHA
What gets in the way of people. Is always government.
Market is established through voluntary relations between individuals, and should be kept as such.
no they were not
Love the venezuela memes
not at all
Yes they were
Literally had privately owned business
Just nationalized the oil industry
Ok? And they were better then.
wrong
They were the richest in south America and had way better conditions.
Okay, so could you own a privately owned business and operate this business for personal profit in Venezuela. Yes or no.
they socialized agriculture, redistributed all the profits, people who benefited left and the country is now in a shit fuck because of it
Different than socialized, incidentally. Social democrats like to pretend state ownership is collective ownership which is a funny meme
I'm a socialist, I don't want the state owning shit my dude
They ***used*** to be 'capitalist' once.
There's footage of Hugo Chaves leading people to appropriate of other people's property.
This....is such an oxymoron.
Lol, co-ops btfo
Syndicalism who?
Anarchism where?
Isn’t that unions?
That's... Yes and mostly no?
Imagine thinking worker ownership and state ownership are the same lol
Didn't realize I was talking to an ML
Fundamentally, you're conflating socialism with economic totalitarianism @Gbyws
Many socialists would argue economic totalitarianism qualifies as socialism if the state is beholden to the people
***I disagree***
I want economic democracy, a economy owned and operated by the workers who use them for the benefit of these workers.
Not by the state, which is by definition detached from the workers.
I'm an anarchist, I wish to abolish the state, why would I make it **more powerful** by letting it own the economic means of production?
State doesn’t own production
Ok...but you want coercion to be used to force private property from the hands of everyone and forcefully redistribute It under the rule of the people.
Tell me how this is moral and a state isn't?