Nationalism is cringe

LGBTQ folk tend to be anti-nationalist. Asker is asking from the perspective of a anti-LGBT nationalist

Neither does anti-LGBT so

Lol and?

Could is be that abuse results in LGBT idenities or than LGBT idenities result in depression and abuse 🤔 🤔 🤔

Maybe it's a bigoted culture?

🤔 🤔

Even if that were the case, so what?

I mean I'm patriotic but hate my government

I like most of the ideal America is supposed to live up to.

Capitalism I pretty cringe but like, the whole democracy, liberty, opportunity for the downtrodden bit is really based

Gotta ask, why does it bother you that people are LGB? Why does what consenting adults do to each other matter to do? At all?

And a SEVERE lack of useful regulations lol

That's simply not practical because of economic reality.

And it being natural matters because???

Taxation and capital flight, if you want to make a free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare system (like what MOST OF THE WORLD HAS) you have to tax your citizens. Those with large sums of taxable money (those needed to make these programs functional) will simply move states because they can. This is why tax havens exist, and how the rich avoid a LOT of taxes.

They argue homosexual tendencies are increased by childhood abuse

LGBT people are anti-nationalist. Octavia is upset at this

My point

Yes, but on average LGBT people have more anti-nationalist sentiments.

I don't think proof is relevant tbh

No Murica, that doesn't stop the rich from simply moving capital and assets to places the states can't tax

This is why wealth taxes tend not to work

Oppression of LGBT folk is what makes them anti-nationalist y'know

Tru, be proud of the ideals you live up to

Tribalism is cringe lol

Tribalism isn't inherently AnPrim, though yes also cringe

Kinda, wouldn't it make more sense to be proud of pioneering attitudes and traditions generally?

Lol and?

Why does humans being uniquely homosexual even matter?

If people wanna be gay why can't they just be gay?

Lol yes

But most trans people are always openly gay?

Lolwut

As someone with a ton of trans friends, they gay and proud of it lol

That's not how identity works lol

If you don't *identify* as that, you're not that identity

This is definitional

^

It's a category

A taxonomic category

Octavia, you're conflating taxonomy grouping with identity

Trans rights are the same as cis rights, we just already accept cis as valid.

Tree isn't a species wtf

And?

Human is not an identity, it's a scientific category

Just like Male, or XX genotype are not identities

Depends on the category. Are odd numbers an identity?

This is not true, at all, and is a twisting of the definition of identity. If it is more satisfying to you, think of *personal identity* when we say identity. Because that is what we mean. Being human is not a *personal identity* this you cannot identify out of it.

Because it's useful to express general ideas in a quick manner. That's basically it tbh

But these are not the same. Social identity and personal identity are not even the slightest the same thing.

@Moti I'll give an example. A passing trans woman would have a social identity of woman. And nonpassing trans woman would have the social identity of man. Both have the personal identity of woman.

These are not the same

Well, that was an example. If you don't *personally identify* as Swedish then you aren't the same. Like I have German ancestors. I do not identify as a German

Your *social identity*

Personal identity can literally be whatever

Not technically

Neat

Yes which is why I didn't take it seriously

This is not how gender works but oki

@Moti Gender is a social identity, with a set of expectations. If you feel like you fit more into the social identity of "woman" you would personally identity as "woman"

And if you're not an ass, you take that personal identity as valid because it makes people happy.

Gender is a social phenomenon. Are you referring to sex?

So you're denying the social phenomenon of gender?

Generally speaking I aim to be correct, and so denying clearly observable social phenomenon is something I avoid but have fun I guess lol

This is literally every negative word tho? Like when you call transgender folk disgusting?

All words are artificial lol

Literally by definition

As did transphobia

Or it's a Word to describe people who have an irrational distaste of trans people?

If it makes them happy, why?

"disgusting" emotional. "mentally disabled" how? In what manner are trans people not able to consent?

How are they mentally incapable of consent?

This

Enumerate how trans people are mentally disabled and this incapable of consent

Can't help but notice Octavia refuses to say how transgender folk are mentally disabled

Seems like an irrational position to me

This is factually incorrect. Dysphoria is reduced when people pass.

***HOW***

Dysphoria is the discomfort. It is the opposite of euphoria

HOWW

Holy shit you're taking in circles

@Moti Explain how dysphoria meets this definition
https://www.naric.com/?q=en/FAQ/what-are-psychiatric-disabilities#:~:text=Psychiatric%20disability%20is%20defined%20by,Equal%20Employment%20Opportunity%20Commission%20(EEOC)

Dysphoria is body discomfort, remember

Where is identity mentioned in the definition of mental disability?

As does whether or not you feel hungry. What is your point?

And yet ALL studies show that is only the case if they do not pass or are stopped from doing what they want. If they pass, they are happy.

Right so since dysphoria is body discomfort we should treat the body discomfort, right?

Wait

Hold up

Is Octavia not aware that MOST people don't do SRS?

Just HRT?

Also is @Moti against piercings and tattoos?

Ah so you emotionally don't like it so you want to ban people from doing it

Awesome

And so genital mutilation to make people more comfortable in their bodies should be banned because...?

If you don't think we would ban other forms of skin mutilation

Dysphoria is body discomfort. How does it intensify body discomfort?

And this is a problem, why?

In what manner is it socially negative? Additionally, having tattoos on your face is socially negative. Should we ban that?