Message from @WMLC

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2020-12-25 04:25:28 UTC  

i didnt appealing to authority

2020-12-25 04:25:36 UTC  

i posted video where he makes the argument

2020-12-25 04:25:58 UTC  

then i added a WWE style introduction

2020-12-25 04:37:10 UTC  

It's a straw man argument. It incorrectly defines moral relativism in order to attack it

2020-12-25 04:40:54 UTC  

no it doesnt

2020-12-25 04:40:59 UTC  

it accurately portrays it

2020-12-25 04:44:17 UTC  

I mean no it doesn't but that's fine.

2020-12-25 04:46:31 UTC  

Relativism isn't that "there are no objective truths and nothing it knowable" which is the definition that argument relies on to make it self referential and thus self defeating

2020-12-25 04:51:15 UTC  

no

2020-12-25 04:51:19 UTC  

it made a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:51:21 UTC  

Only that there are no moral truths, fundamental to the universe. It itself isn't a moral truth proposition. Relativism isn't a moral proposition itself

2020-12-25 04:51:25 UTC  

while saying no moral claims

2020-12-25 04:51:27 UTC  

It did not

2020-12-25 04:51:28 UTC  

checkmate

2020-12-25 04:51:38 UTC  

yes it is

2020-12-25 04:51:39 UTC  

That's both not what it says and not a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:51:42 UTC  

you claim morality exists,

2020-12-25 04:51:45 UTC  

yet it is relative

2020-12-25 04:51:53 UTC  

i asked you specifically if it didnt exist

2020-12-25 04:52:20 UTC  

based on how you worded it earlier, you believe moral truth exists, but only relative to every individual

2020-12-25 04:52:32 UTC  

Yes. That's not a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:52:39 UTC  

That's not saying something is good or bad

2020-12-25 04:52:44 UTC  

thats why after i made my argument i said "now you must choose between moral nihilism and moral objectivism"

2020-12-25 04:52:47 UTC  

it is a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:53:06 UTC  

It is not

2020-12-25 04:53:08 UTC  

by saying morality is on an individual basis,

2020-12-25 04:53:17 UTC  

you claim some things are bad (morally) to an individual

2020-12-25 04:53:22 UTC  

It is a claim about morality

2020-12-25 04:53:28 UTC  

if you misspoke and meant morality doesnt exist, say so

2020-12-25 04:53:55 UTC  

Of course morality exists dumbass

2020-12-25 04:53:56 UTC  

it absolutely is a moral claim to say morality exists on an individual basis

2020-12-25 04:54:13 UTC  

You don't know what a moral claim is

2020-12-25 04:54:17 UTC  

That's the takeaway

2020-12-25 04:54:23 UTC  

by making that claim, you are making a moral judgement on every action

2020-12-25 04:54:26 UTC  

And because of that, you cannot see the flaw

2020-12-25 04:54:36 UTC  

no, you just want to cling to a position i disproved

2020-12-25 04:54:53 UTC  

I asked you many times based on your moral subjectivism

2020-12-25 04:55:00 UTC  

about specific moral scenarios

2020-12-25 04:55:03 UTC  

Ok, so let's assume you disproved subjectivism

2020-12-25 04:55:10 UTC  

and you used your moral claim to consistently claim the same thing

2020-12-25 04:55:11 UTC  

That means objectivism is right