Message from @WMLC

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2020-12-25 04:51:27 UTC  

It did not

2020-12-25 04:51:28 UTC  

checkmate

2020-12-25 04:51:38 UTC  

yes it is

2020-12-25 04:51:39 UTC  

That's both not what it says and not a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:51:42 UTC  

you claim morality exists,

2020-12-25 04:51:45 UTC  

yet it is relative

2020-12-25 04:51:53 UTC  

i asked you specifically if it didnt exist

2020-12-25 04:52:20 UTC  

based on how you worded it earlier, you believe moral truth exists, but only relative to every individual

2020-12-25 04:52:32 UTC  

Yes. That's not a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:52:39 UTC  

That's not saying something is good or bad

2020-12-25 04:52:44 UTC  

thats why after i made my argument i said "now you must choose between moral nihilism and moral objectivism"

2020-12-25 04:52:47 UTC  

it is a moral claim

2020-12-25 04:53:06 UTC  

It is not

2020-12-25 04:53:08 UTC  

by saying morality is on an individual basis,

2020-12-25 04:53:17 UTC  

you claim some things are bad (morally) to an individual

2020-12-25 04:53:22 UTC  

It is a claim about morality

2020-12-25 04:53:28 UTC  

if you misspoke and meant morality doesnt exist, say so

2020-12-25 04:53:55 UTC  

Of course morality exists dumbass

2020-12-25 04:53:56 UTC  

it absolutely is a moral claim to say morality exists on an individual basis

2020-12-25 04:54:13 UTC  

You don't know what a moral claim is

2020-12-25 04:54:17 UTC  

That's the takeaway

2020-12-25 04:54:23 UTC  

by making that claim, you are making a moral judgement on every action

2020-12-25 04:54:26 UTC  

And because of that, you cannot see the flaw

2020-12-25 04:54:36 UTC  

no, you just want to cling to a position i disproved

2020-12-25 04:54:53 UTC  

I asked you many times based on your moral subjectivism

2020-12-25 04:55:00 UTC  

about specific moral scenarios

2020-12-25 04:55:03 UTC  

Ok, so let's assume you disproved subjectivism

2020-12-25 04:55:10 UTC  

and you used your moral claim to consistently claim the same thing

2020-12-25 04:55:11 UTC  

That means objectivism is right

2020-12-25 04:55:15 UTC  

no

2020-12-25 04:55:21 UTC  

it means objectivism or nihilism is right

2020-12-25 04:57:29 UTC  

Fair enough. Moral nihilism is always an option. You have to answer the question "is it possible to make a moral claim with any validity"

2020-12-25 04:57:50 UTC  

you cant jump back and forth

2020-12-25 04:57:58 UTC  

choose, moral nihilism or moral subjectivism

2020-12-25 04:59:17 UTC  

I didn't jump back and forth. Take a breather kid

2020-12-25 04:59:34 UTC  

you said,

2020-12-25 04:59:41 UTC  

"Fair enough. Moral nihilism is always an option. "

2020-12-25 04:59:48 UTC  

this implies you are willing to jump to it

2020-12-25 04:59:57 UTC  

No it doesn't

2020-12-25 04:59:57 UTC  

even though it is very different from moral relatvism'

2020-12-25 05:00:01 UTC  

it does