Oh. That’s an awkward situation there I have heard. I mean I can understand why history would create a lot of division between people but I also know that capitalism is the best way we know to level a playing field. I have heard that there is a lot of redistribution of resources. This rarely helps marginalized people. But I don’t know much about the situation, only a little bit.

> Yes! many have their version of the situation here, which is grossly under rated by some. You need to **be** here to grasp the fear & hopelessness, which is only getting worse... I could send you eye opening pictures which you probably wouldn't believe anyway.... I think Trump would make a difference and improve the situation here, Sad thing is we might never know...

@SaberToothRat Whats the road to unity there?

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Good morning @Doc are you from S.A. or you just familiar with Afrikaans? 😀

Ek prat afrikaans. 🙂

Im not South african. Just used to visit many years ago.

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> Question...! Trump/Biden aside, for America's future prosperity, economy, security, growth, stability & equality, which party would be best chosen/trusted to fulfill these traits? I'm not from America, but the result of this election will rub off on the rest of the world. My choice would be Republican, we need to remove the clutches of the Deep State keeping the world suppressed for their personal gain.... Thoughts?
@SaberToothRat

I believe that what is the best for America and the world is limited government, away from globalism.

Its best for all, IMO when we deal with others as individuals.

In this race I believe trump is better than biden for the US and the rest of the world.

He is the first president to not start a war, he says that he wants to bring troops home, I hope he will.

He is also the first president (in modern American History at least) to oversee major peace deals in the volatile Middle East between nations that have warred against each other for millenia (earning 2 Nobel Peace Prize nominations along the way). I don't like the 2-party system as it is one of the most detrimental things our government has become, but between the two...Trump and the Republican party appear to be the better choice.

The Repubs at least hold ideals and beliefs that aren't destructive or regressive, and have a solid foundation. The Dems may have at one time, but after the past 4-ish years (and the past 6 months especially), they need to unf*** themselves.

They haven't warred for millennia

It's much like a cold war currently, there is sporadic fighting. It could technically be called a war. They do frequently attack one another with conventional weapons.

It's why many places are so against them having access to nuclear weaponry.

Don't overdo it lol. Also discord is having problems :(

Also I'm not 100% sure but the nominations aren't all that interesting, my understanding is that it isn't hard to nominate (i.e "university professors" etc.), and the people doing the nominations are not exactly left wingers.

The UAE, Bahrain and Sudan are not sporadically fighting with eachother or Israel

It is just a formality w.r.t peace

The big deal is economic and diplomatic

If I recall, there is a ton of rocket attacks launching from Israel to Palestine and vise-versa very frequently.

And Gaza has nothing to do with this deal

In fact this deal is in spite of Gaza

Another way of looking at it: I don't believe there were commercial flights going on between the UAE and Israel prior to this deal being signed.

It wasn't exactly a friendly environment, and noted about Gaza.

Many see this as a blow to any future deal with Gaza by taking away part of their leverage (specifically the idea that if israel makes peace with PA/Hamas, they stand to get the chance to make a deal with other arab countries); others view it as a help for a future deal for the same reason (it takes away leverage)

Well finally we are getting to the real point lol. I don't disagree that there is something great here, I am just taking way the BS that was stuck on top of that.

Appreciate it.

Also it actually was a mostly friendly environment behind the scenes, due to ISIS, Iran, and extremism, israel and several neighbors have been cooperating for years. That is why some thank Obama for this deal (for emboldening Iran).

I haven't had the time yet to delve in depth about the agreement, but I had presumed it included Gaza to start with, so I'm glad you corrected me on that.

But still it is a very hopeful moment and whoever brokered the actual deal probably deserves a lot of credit

Yeah.

Having commercial flights begin between countries is a great start for alleviating a "cold war" scenario, and strengthening bonds between the countries at the very least. Their economies could intermingle and it would be good for all countries involved to remove the stigma with each other.

Yes but I actually think you have it backwards

The stigma is induced, socially and politically, by the media in these (Bahrain, Sudan and UAE) countries, and the politicians that utilize the stigma to gain/remain in power (promises of punishing israel or - in the past, going to war with israel - were used to gain favor). Recently they changed their tune a little. I think in order for such a deal to happen a. the stigma had to have already gone down and b. You can be assured (have hope) that the media is going to change its tune going forward.

And this is even more hope than the deals themselves. The people will now be open to real communication (direct or via their media) instead of absurdities

I mean, this further helps the stigma, don't know how that's backwards.

It's not the foundation, but it's a layer of bricks in the wall of bonds.

I mean the stigma going down is the thing that allowed the deals, and whatever caused that will continue regardless of the deals; the deals are more of an indicator (but ofc you are right, business deals and flights will undoubtedly help as well)

Of course, again, never insinuated it was the foundation of helping the countries, that has likely been in the process for some time already.

I said it's a start for removing the "cold war" scenario.