How is blaming everything on the MSM strawman neutral? All media are businesses. They are creating a product that generates income based on the number of eyeballs/ears it attracts. That is true on the right and the left. Media companies who produce content that a segment of the population wants to hear in order to get them to watch/listen will attract more $$. It's capitalism. If Fox News dares to report something that the right doesn't want to hear, the right immediately tries to cancel them. I am not a fan of Tucker Carlson, but when he called out Sidney Powell for not delivering on the Kraken promise, the right went ballistic.

@Benny2Toes Both sides have this "by any means necessary" mentality. Look at what our president is doing right now. There is no moral high ground here.

Not blaming everything on MSM.

What is our President doing right now?

@TaLoN132 You can't honestly be asserting that the left and right are comparable in any way shape or form.

I mean...really?

Why not?

4 years ago, Hillary Clinton was in a worse position. She lost a close election - but had won the popular vote. Hours after the race was projected for Trump, she conceded. Her campaign continue to explore options leading up to the Electoral college, but the Obama administration proceeded to help Trump's team with the transition. That is how things have been done for 240 years, with the exception of 2000 when the presidency was determined by 537 votes.

https://youtu.be/Bmb7dNj9jvY

Show me the rights version of this. I will wait.

This is delusion.

The right is NOT doing anything like this. They aren't chasing people down and beating them senseless for exercising their right to support a candidate.

To suggest otherwise is insane.

The usual defense of this comes from 2017.

But it is horrendously disproportional violence.

Political violence anyway.

"Very fine people". Yeah, wait for it...

The big difference is that there were not allegations of widespread cheating. Trump won fair and square. The world series is decided by who wins 4 games; not by who scores the most runs.

What?

Trump won what? 2016?

Of course 2016.

We hear a lot of people saying he won 2020 as well, so I have to make sure.

There weren't allegations of cheating in 2016??? Were you on the moon?

I'm also certain that he won 2020.

I definitely differ there.

There were allegation of "Russian collusion". But they were rather vague. No one ever alleged a single vote was changed or slipped into the counting.

@GregInHouston2 It's funny that you say that, but if you believe that cheating is happening now, you have to believe that it existed in 2016. SIdney Powell and Russ Ramsland are asserting that the capability to do this was embedded in the dominion sw pre-2012.

But it would still be cheating, the semantics of how dont matter.

So, if there is cheating now... There was cheating in 2016.

@TaLoN132 Why do I have to believe it happened in 2015?

Except the argument you're making is that cheaters always win, @TaLoN132

That was a typo. 2016.

Which isn't logically consistent.

Or... maybe the will of the people was expressed in both elections and one losing candidate acted with grace and the other is just a sore loser.

Cheaters win if they aren't caught.

Grace? Haha. Im bowing out of this one.

Hillary did not act with any semblance of grace.

I apologize.

@Maw I'm making the opposite argument

@TaLoN132 She was a soar loser but so what?

*sore*