That's why the EC exists.

That's why state governments exist too

That's also the reason for limiting federal power.

Mhm

Like I said, it is a shortcut problem

Progressives are espousing universal healthcare, but I think it is a bargaining ploy. Nobody thinks it will really happen. Even though I think that the discussion as to whether access to healthcare is a privilege or a right. Even so, with ACA they started with the public option and ended up with a neutered attempt at filling the healthcare gap. This time they are threatening more, but hoping to end up with a public option. I personally don't see a problem with the public option. I think it fosters competition. The private sector are always claiming to be infinitely more efficient than govt... Let's prove it.

I disagree that it is a bargaining ploy at all

And I'm not even saying I'm against it

I just gave it as an example of something states can do but jump to the federal legislature and eye the SC to get their way across the entire country

Shortcut

A public option would work wonderful. It would put private out of business. Then it would become corrupt and ineffecient.

Not entirely true.

Not what happened in many places.

This is my thought as well. That the voting system itself was providing information to some nefarious actors.

There are plenty of examples of public/private healthcare systems that coexist long-term.

Our country has a healthcare problem

But not because of public or private

It's just problems in the laws

Just Google shit like "certificate of need"

It doesn't matter who pays for it, the underlying system is so bad that we will always have problems till we solve those

I would have to know which example and examine it.

Canada.

Agreed... other countries with public healthcare have a robust supplemental insurance business for those that want more.

They have both a private and public system.

If we solve those problems, then both public or private have a chance at working

Canada doesn't have a private option.

Yes it does.

Canada's drugs are capped

Subsidized by you

Prevented from import (and thus free market) by our government (perhaps until recently)

There are some good NPR podcasts on this subject

Private is subsidized by public by requests.

The entire thing is so fd up it takes hours to untangle

Canadians may be happy with what they have; I don't want it.

@GregInHouston2, you just advanced to level 5!

I'm just explaining that it's a private/public option that coexists.

As an example.

Because you said that public just takes over everything and crushes private.

Honestly, I don't buy it. But I have no time to look into how it does and does not work.

It's funny... I don't think I have seen any other issue that has been so unifying in this group. Everyone agrees healthcare needs to be fixed. Somehow.

Pros: Lesser costs to the public for general healthcare.
Cons: Longer wait times for diagnostics and procedures.