you need very strong stuff

This is a civil case so they only need a preponderance of evidence no?

@liftandstudy Yet, something of that magnitude will be necessary to throw out hundreds of thousands of American voters' votes with the bathwater.

we've all seen video of Philly boarding up windows and blocking observers from entry, but PA's court just dismissed all that

I do understand the human element, the judges will be hesitant to do anything without a smoking gun. But I’m saying if we ignore that and look only at the legal rules

In theory yes. I would imagine that it is probably closer to beyond a reasonable doubt in reality. There is too much risk for judges to rule otherwise without having a good defense of undeniable evidence.

regarding preponderance of evidence: a lot of the allegations are about things that Dems scored BEFORE the election, this has a huge weight. Waiting until after the election is tacitly having accepted all the rigging done in the open before.

I agree, that was my concern from the beginning. Imagine we had the exact same circumstances, but this was an off year race for a House seat or something, I do not believe this would even be controversial.

What wouldn't be controversial?

someone linked me this

Saw that earlier. That is concerning.

@Zuluzeit that fraud took place in this election

yep this was posted before but the channel is spammed with 2-way chats

I see what you are saying. I have no doubt that Trump believes the only way he could lose is if the other side cheated - he said as much repeatedly. Lawyers know whether a case has merit or not - or at least they should. I imagine his previous lawyers may have seen the writing on the wall.

It should be concerning, no widespread voter fraud has taken place.

republicans allowed all the voting machines, also allowed the extension of mail-in voting and the removal of checks in several states

@nachik, you just advanced to level 3!

where were they?

somehow AdamS sounded bald and had a CNN ticker going over his text 😛 (jk)

@nachik the evidence I’m talking about specifically is the poll watchers being excluded, the statistical anomalies, the affidavits of eye witnesses, etc. These elements did not occur before the election took place.

@liftandstudy, you just advanced to level 1!

I’m British and have independent looked at the claims...

I understand some rules were changed way ahead of time

@AdamS I was jokingly saying you sound like Stelter

There is no way you could possible know that based on the evidence we all have access to. You are just as ignorant to fact of that claim as anyone else.

lol was just saying...many get offended when a Brit voices opinion...

@nachik Are you sure that Phiily boarding up the windows video was to block out observers? I thought that was disproven in court. There were still representatives of both campaigns in the room. Those were non-campaign onlookers that were being disruptive, if I recall. It's been a while, so I may be misremembering.

@linuxace have you looked at the evidence?

@AdamS but yeah you can't be sure of that statement just as those who "know" that there was fraud can't be sure of that either

@realz, you just advanced to level 10!

I said widespread

@AdamS, you just advanced to level 1!

There is a LOT of "evidence", and more coming every day

As much of it as I can with the time I have. There is something strange going on. Doesn't mean it's fraud but it deserves a good look over.

iirc it wasn't Philly boarding up, it was Maricopa

@liftandstudy yep but poll watchers being excluded is already losing in State courts, maybe it will go to SCOTUS, statistical anomalies are weak evidence (once you allow the infrastructure you cannot prove it strongly enough), affidavits will be mostly dismissed (typically the court will side with local authority vs individuals, and witness accounts with no possible material evidence are limited)

Have you checked every piece of evidence?

@linuxace I totally agree with you, everything should be looked at.

I'm not sold either way other than something is strange and needs and explanation.

Boarding up windows would be silly in Philly since the watchers complained that while let in, they had to observe from forever away