At work now . Hopefully will catch the stream..

Oh crap. Work. Uh...bbl.

I don't think a corporation should have more say than your average American. It's all about the fundraising imho.

I would agree, but I think western culture is dying so I have an obvious bias. I would rather not be hired than to be dishonest which works but I have to work much harder to actually do things I say I do.

Im not sure that is a bias. I have seen no one finding fallacies in Toynbee or Spengler.

Yea but a corporation is just a bunch of people (shareholders) getting together

they _are_ an average american

Ehhh.

you can't restrict corporations without restricting groups of people

Maw . How u got the MOD in the streams

@MatiLuc, you just advanced to level 1!

I might have jumped into the China conversation late but remember these few points when talking about China.

China paid the NBA 500 million dollars to push and promote "BLM" which in return persudes a lot of people's way of thinking.

Also don't forget they let a virus escape from a lab (COVID-19) That has affected the entire globe and cause many deaths and caused countries to go into debt. And what happened to them? Nothing. No country can stand or would stand upto them. China would just cut off all the items you buy and now you don't have a stove, microwave, laptop, washer, dryer etc. 90% of what you own is from or made in China.

So the reality is... If China interfered with the election by any means, no one will do anything about it.

There is a huge difference between what the average person donates vs. the really rich person who you're talking about.

China owns the world.

@Maw w.r.t FoS though it doesn't matter; you cannot restrict the idea of Super PACs without restricting people spending money on influencing people

CNN is a super pac

Quite possibly.

do you really think CNN should be stopped from being the press?

Nope.

this literally would make Franklin's head explode

yea exactly

which is my point

if you have a newspaper that is very successful and influential, and is a superpac, there is nothing you can do about it, unless you infringe of FoS and FoP

March 25th the DOW jones stock market hits lows we haven't seen in 15-20 years. Guess who was the biggest investor buying all US stock and commodities... China. They also hold 4 trillion of the USA debt.

@Pantsdonkey, you just advanced to level 2!

I don't consider CNN direct funding for a campaign though, far more indirect.

but the vast majority of the money is indirect like this

that is what a Super PAC is

indirect funding

"dont contol the election. Control the words."

Take care everyone. Well try and be back on later

Will*

Sheesh... I go to sleep for a few hours and it's like trying to read War and Peace on a teleprompter to catch back up. I gave up and skipped to the end.

Also: I said this is a place to begin, I wasn't talking about indirect sources of influence.

Second: I never said this was the solution, I said it was the start.

I'm pretty sure there are limits on giving directly to campaigns

but i dunno the details

Way higher than the American average donation is.

Which is my point

It's around 2k last I checked, could be wrong.

Average donation is 40-100 IIRC