that's true but the mainstream still has a lot of pull, many people don't follow anything else

we're not at a point that we can just ignore it

When you live with someone who only listens to MSM & CNN for ‘news’ it’s infuriating

@Beth want some help with that?

Yes please 🙈

Understand that the data we have been exposed to is who we are, and who we are determines what political standpoint our emotions absorb.

your flatmate/spouse has been exposed to different data than you have.

That's all it is.

Why is that a source for frustration?

my wife mainly reads CNN website

and watches Colbert

it's tough

But even when I show the data I’ve seen it’s like talking to a wall... I find any form of media gaslighting extremely frustrating. I am aware that I have a bias... I really don’t like Biden

Note how I said "emotions absorb political standpoint" @Beth ?

No belief system is rational.

Socrates showed that.

You presenting data is a drop in the sea compared to what your opponent have absorbed over a lifetime.

Yes, you sound like a very intelligent person in psychology?

Im a psychiatrist.

But this is free.

That’s a very good point

Doc's the bomb...

(That's a good thing)

haha

bombs are always good.

@Beth You present gigabytes. A lifetime is Yogibytes. No way you can compete.

I have to make sure I don't make any assumptions with the colloquialisms..

I’m new to politics this year.. The pandemic/lockdowns was the door opening for me so I’m looking at this with fairly fresh eyes

The only thing you achieve, @Beth , is frustration, yes?

Yes!

I agree but I also think this is the challenge that makes or breaks it

there you go, @Beth

if you can't get your party to stop consuming the opposition party newspapers, you are screwed

@Beth Here is a rule of the thumb: a political discussion is constructive if, and only if, the object of both is to understand - truly understand - eachothers standpoint.

Yeah, @Beth. Enjoy the argument. Never the beliefs or outcomes.

@realz Always... can always count on the glass half full perspective. Stop being such an optimist.

It's a game.

Being angry at what people believe is like being angry at the tide for coming in, or being angry at a tornado for destroying a town.

lol I see this as the first opportunity we have had in forever to rectify the situation; the right finally has had enough

There seems to be a communication problem in my house to say the least 😂

belief systems can be rational, but people don't just follow rationality to create beliefs