Message from @andrasol

Discord ID: 782989507704258581


2020-11-30 15:15:59 UTC  

Marx was wrong in that economy/matrialism is the only force.

2020-11-30 15:16:11 UTC  

I believe it's usually framed as "The inevitability of socialism/revolution"

2020-11-30 15:16:12 UTC  

@busillis spell what?

2020-11-30 15:16:35 UTC  

@Maw Only if you disregard everything but materialism.

2020-11-30 15:16:47 UTC  

There are plenty of ways to avoid the revolution.

2020-11-30 15:17:30 UTC  

Religion is one example.

2020-11-30 15:17:31 UTC  

The US has too many tribes/sub cults on all levels of society. at some point those who have chosen more than one tribe end up conflicting. In the U.K. this tribe culture doesn’t exist...Brexit somewhat.

2020-11-30 15:17:41 UTC  

Reform?

2020-11-30 15:17:53 UTC  

reform postpones the revolution, yes.

2020-11-30 15:17:54 UTC  

Good example Doc.

2020-11-30 15:17:56 UTC  

Brexit somewhat? 🤣

2020-11-30 15:18:05 UTC  

🤣

2020-11-30 15:18:51 UTC  

Brexit guys were like Trump seems cool we need to find a UK Trump

2020-11-30 15:19:28 UTC  

I’ve just seen many more tribal sects in the US where one has a unconditional following: Back the blue for example.

2020-11-30 15:19:31 UTC  

So you're saying a socialist system is inevitable, but the means to get there are really what's questionable? Correct me if I'm wrong.

2020-11-30 15:19:39 UTC  

Through either reform or revolution.

2020-11-30 15:19:48 UTC  

Marx was wrong in way more than that xD

2020-11-30 15:19:55 UTC  

The brexit cult was payed for by your british oligarchs not wanting to have overlords in Berlin. Which is comfortable for me. The EU denationalization-policies is poison.

2020-11-30 15:20:01 UTC  

And ive just reread das kapitaal

2020-11-30 15:20:10 UTC  
2020-11-30 15:20:45 UTC  

As a european, the EU is tocix garbage. The idea is good, the policy is not

2020-11-30 15:20:46 UTC  

@andrasol most people who claim marx was wrong a lot have never read marx, or have read marx but failed to understand it. I therefore have this rule that I test peoples understanding of marx before I am willing to engage in a discussion on Marx.

2020-11-30 15:20:56 UTC  

Sure

2020-11-30 15:21:21 UTC  

Im not claiming im an economist, but ive read the audiobook twice.

2020-11-30 15:21:35 UTC  

I voted Brexit, I was ok with some EU policies especially Human Rights but....open borders was a no deal, it’s why the Majority of Brits voted leave. And now we f’d it all up.

2020-11-30 15:21:43 UTC  

@busillis if you are calling me a mad wizard you might be right.

2020-11-30 15:22:01 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/782989824600440842/oldme.jpg

2020-11-30 15:22:08 UTC  

The difference between reading physically and listening to an audiobook is that it's way easier to reiterate over stuff you don't really fully conceptualize in text.

2020-11-30 15:22:11 UTC  

And listen to economy podcasts daily. As well ss hzving taken a comparative economics course

2020-11-30 15:22:21 UTC  

Which I doubt everyone can fully conceptualize something reading it once.

2020-11-30 15:23:02 UTC  

Like Nietzsche, Marx has to be read 1 chapter pr. month and processed by drawing and noting.

2020-11-30 15:23:28 UTC  

It takes anything between 5 and 10 years to read Zarathustra.

2020-11-30 15:23:28 UTC  

Talking speed != Processing speed.

2020-11-30 15:23:55 UTC  

Fair. Im not criticising the points he makes. Within his woldview, they are fair.

It's his base premisses where he builds upon that i disagree on

2020-11-30 15:24:13 UTC  

"most people read more than they understand"

2020-11-30 15:24:22 UTC  

Which is a good thing

2020-11-30 15:24:43 UTC  

Id rather read just above or generaly above my level

2020-11-30 15:24:46 UTC  

If we were talking about crime drama novels I'd agree.

2020-11-30 15:24:50 UTC  

Than keep reading below

2020-11-30 15:25:25 UTC  

And then you return to it after a year and re read

2020-11-30 15:25:44 UTC  

I put the link for the AZ hearing in general chat so that it doesn’t get lost in this one. I have to work and won’t be able to see much of it😞