Hi guys!

Interesting topic.

Educate us doc

"Where's my money?!"

"Where's the money Lebowski?!"

To be clear, I do appreciate Doc spending the time to try and educate laymen like myself in the medical field. <3

Hey same here...

Any wisdom is much appreciated.

@TaLoN132 Dont know if it is still relevant, but the mechanisms you ask for are the same as in every other society. Humans are attracted to hierarchies as freedom, while often expressed preferable, is scary as autonomy involves responsibility for your own existence. Very few are strong enough to handle this autonomy and those people are left with two options; climb in the existing main hierarchy as best they can, or - if unable for whatever reason - find a smaller hierarchy (subcult), where they function better.

The the smaller ones will mirror the mainframe hierarchy in that they will have structure, language, power and alliances forming in the early phases when climbing is relatively easy, then transfer to a period of sedimentation, with rather fixed powerstructures, and a breakdown where new smaller hierarchies are formed.

As the mainframe is now in breakdown, you will see an increasing number of smaller hierarchies (cults) take shape, sediment and dissolve. Some thinkers believe this process of conception, thrive, death will increase as the mainframe moves closer to annihilation.

This model will be rather useful in understanding why it gets harder and harder to elect a POTUS. The mainframe is displaying significant structural damage, and new, detached hierarchies (democrats and republicans) are formed. They then go through a process of fracturing as well (sanders-vs- clinton and Trump-vs-GOP). This process is supposed to increase in speed and momentum till you have chaos according to Sokates and Warlords according to Oswald Spengler.

I hear this argument used about capitalism a lot as well @Doc is this something that can traverse power structures into economics?

@Maw Economy is always part of the dynamics of any power-structure.

@Doc do you feel like you sometimes inadvertently spell?

Marx was wrong in that economy/matrialism is the only force.

I believe it's usually framed as "The inevitability of socialism/revolution"

@busillis spell what?

@Maw Only if you disregard everything but materialism.

There are plenty of ways to avoid the revolution.

Religion is one example.

The US has too many tribes/sub cults on all levels of society. at some point those who have chosen more than one tribe end up conflicting. In the U.K. this tribe culture doesn’t exist...Brexit somewhat.

Reform?

reform postpones the revolution, yes.

Good example Doc.

Brexit somewhat? 🤣

🤣

Brexit guys were like Trump seems cool we need to find a UK Trump

I’ve just seen many more tribal sects in the US where one has a unconditional following: Back the blue for example.

So you're saying a socialist system is inevitable, but the means to get there are really what's questionable? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Through either reform or revolution.

Marx was wrong in way more than that xD

The brexit cult was payed for by your british oligarchs not wanting to have overlords in Berlin. Which is comfortable for me. The EU denationalization-policies is poison.

And ive just reread das kapitaal

https://youtu.be/xeXqtzusIU0

As a european, the EU is tocix garbage. The idea is good, the policy is not

@andrasol most people who claim marx was wrong a lot have never read marx, or have read marx but failed to understand it. I therefore have this rule that I test peoples understanding of marx before I am willing to engage in a discussion on Marx.

Sure

Im not claiming im an economist, but ive read the audiobook twice.

I voted Brexit, I was ok with some EU policies especially Human Rights but....open borders was a no deal, it’s why the Majority of Brits voted leave. And now we f’d it all up.

@busillis if you are calling me a mad wizard you might be right.

The difference between reading physically and listening to an audiobook is that it's way easier to reiterate over stuff you don't really fully conceptualize in text.

And listen to economy podcasts daily. As well ss hzving taken a comparative economics course

Which I doubt everyone can fully conceptualize something reading it once.