But that is really hard fore even the best of us

Yeah

in theory but not in practice

They have a much better separation that fox news that's for sure

no mainstream media of any sort does the faintest attempt to be objective and separate reporting from opinion

definitely not in the US or the UK

Don't need to if they don't report anything

Here we start having problems, because if that is your stance there is no remotely objective news reporting. Everything becomes a mudslinging race. If you see the "alternative media", they are for sure not reliable at all so what do we got?

actually that's something. There are opinion journalism magazines that are decent and some of them don't misrepresent themselves as news

the idea of objective reporting exists but as a business model it has completely vanished from existence

alternative media is mainly opinion, very little reporting and it's understandable because reporting needs some investment

But your are making it too easy for your self when you are saying all mainstream media. There are huge differences between how and what they reporting

You are very right that the alternative media is mainly opinion, but the problem is that they are pushing it as facts

that's true, for most of them

it's not easy or difficult for myself... it's just reality

in fact it's very disappointing

(by very right, I mean that it concurres with my opinion)

It truly is but mixing in alternativ media into it makes it harder not easier do distinguish what the underlying facts really are.

there are some outlets like unherd.com or spike or spectator or some others that have different biases and provide worthwhile PoVs and generally don't claim to be reporting news

But still, we are not having too few opinions, we are having problems establishing the underlying facts.

I'm not sure if that's the case but generally I don't have much confidence in any reporting that the reporter clearly has a side on - and that allows to navigate *some* facts and the reality is that I don't have the illusion to have access to a significant share of the "important" stuff that is happening in the world

yep and I don't think this will be solved within my lifetime

creating some actual reporting network that is mainly factual and funded by the common person is an interesting thought experiment - but I don't think it's economically viable

If you see the attempts made it does not look good.

@Olle, you just advanced to level 3!

do you have something in mind that would meet that description? @Olle

I don't see any viable paths to break into the current news landscape with just the readers/watchers sustaining it

I have seen a couple attempt on patreon but it's really really hard to make that a sustainable model.

I don't even see a path to pitch it without being deservedly laughed at

@nachik based on what Rudy was saying at the AZ hearing yesterday it looks like the team is petitioning the legislators in the states with glaring issues to exercise their power to appoint electors (that would favor the trump campaign). In the closing statements at least one legislator from AZ said she was ready to do so pending a conversation with Ellis as she had legal questions that need addressed prior to taking that leap.

I don't know if there's a way to de-certify and push a contingent election but if there is I'm sure they're pursuing it.

@OG2

that one legislator out of 90 is ready to blatantly violate the state constitution is not really a cause for concern

It's not agaisnt the AZ constitution for the legislature to appoint any elector but it is unconstitutional for that elector to vote agaisnt the AZ constituents.

Not really considering we've had faithless electors before.

When you vote you're just basically telling your electors who you want them to vote for.

@Adam135 scotus ruled in 2020 that states can pass legislation requiring electors to vote in line with the popular vote

@OG2, you just advanced to level 1!

They can, but the state legislature still has the final say. Neither the governor, the state secretary nor the state AG is the recognized body.

They might even be able to push hard for contingency given how short their time is conduct an investigation and how uncooperative the AG and law enforcement with looking into the issues brought up further

Yesterday's Hearing was a Political Exercise and not a Legal one.