Message from @JD~Jordan
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No I'm saying hypothetically, what would be convincing to you? If you were king of US elections, in this case what are some examples of what you would need to see to be convinced the election was stolen?
There are lots of things that could convince me its too broad of a question
maybe use different levels? what evidence would you need to see to think a hardcore audit is appropriate? and then what evidence would convince you to overturn the results
Its like saying what would convince me that dude a killed dude b.... well it depends. Video would do it. So would lots of other stuff
I'm just asking for some examples, I realize there could be different things
You are asking me to make an assumption that it was stolen. I dont even know how it could be stolen without it being obvious
No im not
I'm saying: imagine you are the final person that certifies the election. Trump team is saying it was stolen. Give me a handful of examples of evidence they would need to show for you to be convinced they are correct? you aren't assuming its not stolen. they need to show you the evidence. what evidence do they need?
It ends with if you can successfully convince the legislatures to not certify the election.
And then Congress to not certify it
or a judge to uphold an election contest
What I would need is some evidence that would make me think that either the entire election commission and the sec of state in say Georgia are either corrupt or clearly incompetent because they are saying everything is solid
Okay. And what would be some examples of what such evidence would look like?
No idea
But will be happy to look at it. So show it to me
The point I'm getting at is how people keep saying "no evidence of fraud", I think you've said it once or twice in this convo. There IS evidence. The R&R podcast has said this over and over again. He's shown a bunch of it.
I mean admission by someone that had the power and access to steal the election and then can explain how it happen... but Im not limiting it to that... that is just once example but there may be dozens of examples.
Well... every judge that has ruled on these cases disagree that the "evidence" is solid
respectfully, it's absurd to say "there is no evidence". If you say, "there is not enough evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt"...that would be much more valid. I might even agree with you
No evidence of mass voter fraud (enough to swing an election) which is being claimed by Trump. Technical incompetence: yes. Small level voter fraud on both sides: yes.
A person can testify to something that is a lie... its evidence but its not reliable. When I say evidence I mean something that I feel comfortable relying on
So so me your best piece of evidence
@JD~Jordan Why isn't "Performing actions that enable you to get away with fraud" + "Anomalous results that point toward fraud" + "Blocking access to information that would allow others to verify if you've performed fraudulent actions" evidence?
Again, there IS evidence. Literally hundreds of pages of evidence. This part is indisputable. The question is "is the evidence enough?"
Only in this case, they are asking the Legislators for a Forensic Audit
Its not reliable evidence... A dirty plate is evidence someone had dinner... but its not reliable evidence of who had dinner or even what they might have had to eat
Or if the evidence is valid @JonasRobert
I feel like anyone who says "there is no evidence" or "there is no evidence of widespread..." etc, should give an example of what such evidence would look like. Otherwise people can just keep parroting this line that is very clearly untrue
@JonasRobert, you just advanced to level 4!
It's evidence. It's not proof.
Enough evidence to counter the evidence being provided in affidavits.
Evidence should be backed by facts to the extent of holding up in court specific cases of fraud would be cool
Here ya go... this TRUMP appointed Judge says it better than I can
"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened," Brann added. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."
https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf
Loke they say we believe Biden votes each count 1.2 each and Trump only .8
Ok so why does a hand recount match the vote totals
The lower judge excluded the evidence from the brief
Lol. Federalist society judges aren't Trump friendly.
He may have been duped
That ruling was upheld on appeal... try again
So far there is no evidence of wide spread fraud that could overturn the elections . All we have is statistical modeling that is heavily dependent on the variable you start with (subjective starting inputs). Some models like shivas can be used to show republicans cheated using the same methods he used. It’s very weak evidence of wide spread fraud @JonasRobert
They say oh Iran logged in and flipped 1000 votes ok why does the paper ballots match