what is your evidence of that?

agree totally.

Bush had a few hundred votes in one state to win and a simple concise issue to rule over

well i agree totally with the 2nd part. i personally feel the evidence we have is verifiable and useable, but I understand someone not agreeing with that as well

This is NOTHING like Bush Gore...

@JonasRobert also it’s not on me to prove this wild accusation of wide spread voter fraud. The neutral position is that the election was no different then an other election. Also with the current evidence what do you think is the strongest

These voting machines approved for use by officials who dont actually have their IT test for absolute security is only one part of many irregularities. Officials are not doing their jobs that they committed to do.

Is that irregular or common in all elections @TW20

What is absolute security 😅

That's for 2020 and past elections.

So it’s more of a regularity than a irregularity as far as elections go? @TW20

@JonasRobert I am not asking you to take my word for anything. We have court records now. We have rulings of judges that make it clear the "evidence" is crap.

Lots of people confuse evidence and proof. And I don't think you are... I think you understand the difference. But just because there are affidavits does not mean that evidence goes to prove the claim.

If I give an affidavit that I went to polling place X and I was treated poorly and I felt abused and I am just as sure as I can possible be that they threw my vote away or somehow changed it - it is technically evidence. It however is NOT evidence that would go to prove my allegation of fraud.

I wasn't lying in my affidavit. All of it happen. And I may truly believe my vote didnt get counted. But nothing in that affidavit goes to PROVE my allegation.

And this is what the courts are telling us. Just read the opinion. They are online. The complaints are online, the affidavits are there, the responses are online and the judges rulings are there.

Don't believe me... that is fine. You don't know me. But why dare you refusing to believe these judges who have weighed the evidence and found it severely lacking... why not believe them?

Disagree. Show we were they are not doing their jobs. So far I think we pulled off a stellar election

Like mentioned, the election process checks have slowly gone casual, downhill.

Ok but why tho?

Or maybe they have gotten stronger, it’s possible this election was more secure than last years on a whole @TW20

@james j thats good a thing i support

paper ballots to audit results are a pretty good election check

I’m neutral on it just seems random

I also agree, the null hypothesis has to be that the election was fair. I think there are 2 broad categories of evidence. One is technical rule violations that took place. Like SOS changing election rules, poll watchers being kept at a distance, etc. I think there is a good argument to be made that these votes should be excluded regardless of any other evidence. On the issue of ***actual fraud***, I think the strongest evidence is simply the statistical anomalies combined with the irregular observations we saw. As one example, in GA they say they are going to stop counting ballots because a pipe burst. But it turns out there is no record of a repair person coming to fix the pipe. There is a text message describing the pipe burst as a "big over exaggeration"...then shortly after these abrupt pause of reporting ballot counts, suddenly Biden mounts a massive come back that defies all other trends we see around the country. Not to mention, we see similar occurrences in a handful of cities...an abrupt and unexplained pause, followed by a massive Biden surge. The places we observe this were only in the handful of places critical for Biden to win.

I could accept explaining away one or two such anomalies

@JonasRobert who made this masterplan.. for sure not Biden

but not as many as we saw. at some point, the burden should shift to the other side. which they could easily do by simply letting people come and audit the ballots and machines, but they refuse

@JonasRobert, you just advanced to level 5!

Theres the voting machine itself. If you do your research on it you can find the answers. It's a very hackable setup.

on top of that, there are witnesses claiming they saw problems w/ the ballots. but you asked for the "strongest" evidence

@JonasRobert you just said this "I also agree, the null hypothesis has to be that the election was fair. I think there are 2 broad categories of evidence. One is technical rule violations that took place. Like SOS changing election rules, poll watchers being kept at a distance, etc. I think there is a good argument to be made that these votes should be excluded regardless of any other evidence."

So what you are saying is your remedy to people complaining about the CoVid restrictions is to throw our the votes of citizens that did NOTHING wrong?

They followed the law. They cast their ballots as they were legally entitled to do. But because someone could not stand close enough to the poll workers those people's vote should not be counted?

Wow... ok. That is a working democracy... lol

Yes I realize this is a polarizing opinion, but I think the rules of the election must take priority over covid

I think lives take priority over someone claiming fraud with zero proof

And there is no basis is the law to do what you are asking

True

sure there is, votes are thrown out every year when rules are not followed

just from a legal point.... You are asking a court to assume that their was fraud simple because people were asked to stand back 6 feet. That is not how our justice system works... thank goodness

you are conflating the issues because here we are talking about ***a lot*** of votes

Individual votes found to be in violation are thrown out

Not huge batches or entire polling centers

never once happened

you just repeated exactly what I said

@JD~Jordan you must be new. Welcome to the discord.

Im not new to discord. New to this group

thanks... nice to be here