There is a lot of information available, Here is some of the things people need to know in a video from last sunday night. you guys need to get together and do one to cover a lot of the insider information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-YI7p8OClM

When will the Supremes weight in? Come on already...

@inwa also quid pros are only illegal if it’s for persona/political gain. If you are referring to the shokin prosecutor he was fired at a time when he was not prosecuting burisma or any other crime at the time. Ukraine’s own people wanted him out along with the IMF because they did not trust him.

@Doc everything is in a foreign language

Which is pretty much where it needs to be, if someone fails to be responsible they need to face the music.... but don't come after the people who are responsible for things someone else is done... that's tantamount to banning cars because of DUI drivers, or banning cellphones because teens can't stop looking at them while driving

@james j sorry. The book is called "The transparency society" by Byung-Chul Han

It is the best work I have seen on the topic.

@james j according to the records he was investigating Burisma and the investigation was dropped soon after he was fired. He testified in court he was told he was fired because he was investigating Burisma.

@Jammer68, you just advanced to level 1!

Summary says it transparency is a false ideal @Doc

worse than that

@Jammer68 no he wasn’t . The only person who attests to him investigating burisma is him. His own deputy denied this.

Everyone wanted Shokin out not just Ukraine. He was only good for corrupt politicians and corporations in Ukraine. He was the enemy of the United States until Trump cozied up with him.

Nice... Agreed. Why can't our politicians have reasonable conversations that are focused on finding where those effected agree as opposed to focusing on the differences?

He is probably gonna taking about it in some reductionist slippery slop sense to where it ends up being ineffectual @Doc I’m sure there is healthy middle ground

Hello

@james j Not at all. He argues that it is directly harmful.

To who

society

he argues that it paralyzes politics and culture.

Hello I was on the lawyers live

@hilo hello, hilo

Hello

Who is doc

Im in Miami

Depends on the society I guess. If people are too scared to run for office or feel like anything they do will be scrutinized the solution would be to do it anyways. Either way there has to be a middle ground before paralysis becomes a issue @Doc

Im retired mil med, Royal Norwegian Armed forces, now lecturing psychiatry and treating the occational pt. Hello Miami.

Is this the live conversation after R and R

Exactly! All of the rhetoric about gun violence...guns will never disappear. Disarm the average, law abiding citizen and then arm Antifa and whatever radical left wing rising color guard for covert communism using marches into the rich neighborhoods and use crazy rich, white guy with gun in his own, front yard as an example. Take away his rights to defend his property and use this as an example. Call him entitled and racist and use this as an example. Then, then can you disarm the average, working class voter and beat him into submission. We are witnessing in realtime, Dictatorship of the Proletariat with either win of the election pushing the same agenda, unfortunately. 2020 has been brutal, to even say the least!

No, pretty much unrelated fringe stuff.

@hilo It is pretty alive, yes.

@Dedkraken guliani was all up in Ukraine. Talking to lev parnas and other shady Ukrainian figures

It was certainly one of the weirder Trump conspiracies makes no logical sense

So what do you think about those suitcases

@hilo, you just advanced to level 1!

It all started as soon as they knew Biden would run. No one cared about the non event of firing shokin for like 5 years @Dedkraken

Sitting Bull; Tribe Smackaho

So they tried to create a narrative @Dedkraken

Contained thousands of Biden fraudulent fake votes that were fed into the counts unsupervised.

@inwa No idea what you mean.

It was before that they wanted to stir up random crap in the impeachment