Message from @james j
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I have outside influence everywhere I look. The ability to block some of it is a godsend
I just ignore people who are unreasonable
Yeah asking for your strongest piece of evidence is unreasonable
I’m reasonable, if one is debating. But evidently everyone is heated.
Even though you are convinced you see fraud
I gave you some great points to look into just surrounding the video, but it seems you have already dismissed it
@Repeat was unable to handle the pressure and blocked me. It’s a first.
Yeah because that’s weak evidence, the facts don’t match the fraud narrative @samwisegamgee77
Did you read the article or not
I joined the debate late, hadn’t seen the points you made.
The video can be taken out of context, but let’s see what the courts say.
If you are willing to open your mind just a bit... I know the conservative twins are often misinformed or hyperbolic and biased, but their coverage of it tonight was along the same track that I've been following and most of what they point out in this case is very true and hard to discredit if you actually look at the events that have taken place.
Disclaimer... I know they are biased, I usually only watch some of their bits for comedic relief, but they called it as it is here
It’s hard to discredit a narrative you have been led to believe for months
All sources should be looked at and one can make ones mind up. I’ll definitely have a look.
I agree with you both on those points
What I'm saying now is, is that entire chain of events not evidence enough to meet the burden to investigate, rather than call it a lack of evidence?
Which is why these groups of maga supporters just writing up affidavits (making a mistake or giving a perspective won’t get you jail time) of what they think is fraud after they have been led to believe trump will win in a land slide. I
Is not really credible
Especially when they write things like “this guys was really big and made me scared”
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be investigated, everything suspicious should be investigated...but before it’s investigated it’s counterproductive to shout from the rooftops “it’s fraud & I’ve won the election”
I dont buy the whole landslide win pitch. Thats trumps hyperbolic ego speaking imo. But we all know his personality
James j, the video shows the later rerunning stacks of ballots though...
That’s what you do when one ballot gets jammed
You recycle the batch
How do you know that?
Even still they hand recounted like a million times
And the ballots match the original count
So even if votes were counted multiple times it would have been caught in a hand count
Because thats what poll workers say
@samwisegamgee77 There was fraud... There always is some fraud. Some get caught some don't. I believe that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum that are willing to do what it takes to help their chosen candidate win. I think it has been that way for a long time. It sucks and every single one that is caught should be prosecuted. I think that most election officials know that this is going to happen and while they'll do everything they can to prevent it, they will spend the majority of that effort to prevent wide-spread fraud, because they know that ultimately the small time fraud is a zero sum game as neither side is more or less likely to partake.
I think Trump new this and made a calculation... If he made enough noise about the 2020 election being rigged and "deputized" his base to do everything possible to find the proof of this fraud, that his supporters would answer his call. And they sure did. Every Trump supporter that was involved with the election was focused on being hyper-vigilant. Every mail-in ballot was someone trying to be fraudulent. Every person pulling a cart, talking near a van, who didn't seem to want to be overheard, that was trying diligently to work as efficiently as possible... they were all suspects. An nerdy election worker was the object of ridicule and accused of "palming" a thumb drive - he was doxed and rcvd death threats - was just doing his job. Every disagreement was someone nefarious. The vast, vast majority of affidavits have perfectly innocent explanations, but are assumed malfeasance. The problem is none of these affidavits are being found to have any evidentiary value.
Yeah just for recoded I never claimed no fraud just not mass fraud or more fraud than you would expect from any other election
@samwisegamgee77 I think Sidney Powell and her Dominion conspiracy theory actually muddied the water for Trump. It's bonkers and can be easily disproven. The GA hand recount should have ended derailed that crazy train, but she and Rudy keep doubling down and why not... people are believing it, because they've been conditioned to accept fraud.
That theory would never hold up under scrutiny,
Too many moving parts.
Which one?
I dont disagree with that completely, I am just very suspect of the way much of MSM and social media has been so incredibly one sided in this. Which leads me to believe some of the taboo "conspiracy" as holding some weight. Also because of how the entire Russia disinformation, Flynn indictment, impeachment BS, and everything was very orchestrated by nefarious actors in high places.
Each echo chamber has been one-sided based on their target audience. The RWM was certain Trump was going to win and amplified his claims.
Dominion system was rigged theory. Hand recount tally’s up,
Nothing to it.
Agreed.
I have followed it since the very beginning. Every single hearing, every leak to the press, on Russia. Ukraine being handled the same way, and protecting the insider, Biden. I didnt vote for trump in 2016 because I never took him or his message seriously.
But after watching and waiting and scratching my head, and watching and waiting and reading some more. People have called trump racist bigoted, etc and I really think that couldn't be farther from the truth.