Sometimes who Publishes Research Findings becomes more important than the Finding themselves.

@William Dinan, you just advanced to level 9!

And people respond with "what's this paganism?!"

@Maw somewhat more complicated. This situation is like if gravity varied with who is doing the measurements.

@William Dinan exactly

That is exactly what I'm saying @Doc As it's entirely relative to where you are.

9.81 is the average.

(But not the mean, pretty sure)

and any medical professor have to remove himself from the clinic for 10-20 years just to become one. So the profs will be those least in line with what is happinging on the floor, @William Dinan

@Maw right

Or was it specifically at sea-level? I forgot.

Probably the latter.

Also relative to the location of the moon.

It's complex.

there you go. Polyfactorial, @Maw

And how dense the area around you is.

There are a lot of factors, but many are not huge changes.

It's a massive issue of scale.

Even Temp

temperature

https://wirepoints.org/gun-violence-has-killed-23-times-more-chicago-youth-than-covid-wirepoints-quicktake/

Depending on how precise you need to be, those issues of scale become more and more relevant.

E.g: Ballistics.

Versus engineering.

I have to stop procrastinating now, and get some shit done. Yes. It is shit. It is literary references for a report. 😭

ew

Good luck!

Good talk, see you later.

[im not saying thanks, as that is considered bad luck]

Did my well-wishes respond with a bad outcome yesterday at the range?

@Maw ???

Then you have Zuckerberg's "Get out the Vote" handing hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrats and democratic geographic areas actually placing 'mail drop-off your vote boxes all over w/o any security.
Then you have Mayor Rudy with a great Law lesson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJlzAgadYtk

@Roberto Hurstez, you just advanced to level 1!

I would like to propose a thought experiment. Let's stipulate the following:

1) There was absolutely fraud... There always is some fraud. Some get caught some don't. I believe that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum that are willing to do what it takes to help their chosen candidate win. I think it has been that way for a long time. It sucks and every single one that is caught should be prosecuted. I think that most election officials know that this is going to happen and while they'll do everything they can to prevent it, they will spend the majority of that effort to prevent wide-spread fraud, because they know that ultimately the small time fraud is a zero sum game as neither side is more or less likely to partake.

2) President Trump has told his supporters repeatedly for at least 7 months that there would be massive fraud and that the only way he would lose is if Biden and/or his supporters cheated.

3) After the 2016 election, the DHS has been working to make elections more secure. In 2018, Trump formalized this effort by creating the CISA group and handpicked Chris Krebs to head it. This group established standards for voter equipment certification, implemented sophisticated anti-hacking measures, implemented video surveillance at counting facilities (many live-streamed), encouraged states to replace systems that didn't have paper ballot backups that could be used to verify the electronic vote tallies.

4) With recounts in GA and WI showing that the paper ballots match the electronically tabulated totals, if votes were flipped, someone had to have replaced real paper ballots for Trump with fake ballots for Biden (either leaving down-ballot races blank or guessing on likely down-ballot votes hoping it would be close enough) - either between the time they were cast and when they were tabulated (no flipping via Dominion needed) or after tabulation to match any flipped votes by precinct.

5) To date, only circumstantial evidence has been found. No one has found direct evidence of a conspiracy - we have not found and no whistleblower has come forward with evidence of meetings, coordination, plans, computer records, recruiting efforts, instructions, actual ballots that had been replaced by forged ones, addresses to where excessive numbers of unrelated voters were sent mail-in ballots, etc. The only evidence that has been brought forward are: a disputed history of Dominion conspiring with a dead dictator to switch votes for Biden, reports of contentious and possible suspicious behavior, and attempts to identify patterns in voting data that could support that wide-spread fraud had occurred.

Given these assumptions/facts, which is more likely?

(a) Knowing that Trump and his supporters will be diligently looking for fraud, this election is too important to leave to chance. Dems move forward with massive voter fraud. They are able to secretly recruit hundreds (probably thousands) of co-conspirators in battleground states to be willing to risk prison. They would have to make arrangements for them to be election workers, if they were not already there. These individuals would have to have known the ballot composition (down ballot candidates and measures), ballot format (to match the precint equipment - qr codes for BMD's or roller paper or regular non-standard card stock), print the replacement ballots out (either pre-filled in or have people fill them in), sneak them into the election facilities unnoticed, and meticulously, covertly switch out the votes in a coordinated fashion in all precincts with not one of them being caught red-handed with either the fake Biden ballots, the replaced real Trump ballots, or disturbing the chain of custody measures.

For massive mail-in fraud, they would need a similar level of effort and a large number of co-conspirators. They would have to find voter rolls and identify people the least likely to vote, locate their driver's license numbers or other identifying information needed to request a ballot, arrange addresses to send the ballots to (using fake Id and credit cards to rent mailboxes, apartments, homes), collect the ballots at each location, fill out the ballots for Biden (but vote Rep down ballot to throw them off) with signatures close enough to match (because many states contact voters to allow them to cure their votes and this would tip them off), and return them without raising suspicion.

Or

(b) Knowing that some fraud would occur and understanding human behavior, President Trump made a calculation... If he made enough noise about the 2020 election being rigged and "deputized" his base to do everything possible to find the proof of this fraud, that his supporters would answer his call. And they sure did. Every Trump supporter that was involved with the election was focused on being hyper-vigilant. Every mail-in ballot was someone trying to be fraudulent. Every person pulling a cart, talking near a van, who didn't seem to want to be overheard, that was trying diligently to work as efficiently as possible... they were all suspects. A nerdy election worker was the object of ridicule and accused of "palming" a thumb drive - he was doxed and rcvd death threats (later found to just be doing his job). Every disagreement was someone of nefarious intent.

Part of this calculation was knowing that most of the battleground states have Republican legislatures, federal courts (including US SC) are very conservative, Republicans have the outright majority in the Senate, and a majority of delegates in the House. If President Trump could sow enough doubt, he might be able to get the state legislatures to overturn their voters and send a slate of electors for him. Failing that, he might be able to get the courts to invalidate the votes in those states - ensuring that Biden doesn't get 270 and the the House gets to decide who's President. Failing that, if enough challenges to state's electors are made by the US Congress and upheld in both houses, Biden could be prevented for getting 270 that way - and again the House decides who's president.

So... which is more plausible? Did a cadre of Democrat super villains pull off the greatest, most coordinated heist in the history of the world while leaving no direct evidence (so far) under the watchful eye of the most powerful man in the world who *knew* absolutely that it was going to happen and with the capabilities and resources of the NSA, FBI, SS, DOJ, and the entire federal government... was powerless to stop it from happening.

Or is this more likely to be the largest example of GroupThink confirmation bias that was orchestrated by the Trump campaign to sow doubts in the outcome of the election in the hopes that they might be able to leverge their advantages in the states and federal legislatures?

Or is there another possible explanation that we should consider?

@TaLoN132 is a prolific writer.

I've long wondered about the hows of 'electronics votes' matching the 'paper votes' I believe it is that all the paper votes are put into/counted in/on electronics . It's not like the papers are counted and then put into electronic form.

Volume is fine... but I was going for quality. Or, at least, a qualitative discussion.