Message from @Starscraper
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Why were there no qualms in 2016, on the GOP side?
Either we are a constitutional republic or we have 50 individual monarchs
What was the evidence?
Under this health emergency this is exactly what we have.
Problem is there is no constitutional article or amendment addressing health emergencies
There were, the DNC selected the queen rather than Bernie.
Clear-cut fraud.
That’s their right. They can do so if they want, constitutionally
General election is different
It shows that the whole thing is a sham.
An emergency does not allow either the federal government or state governments to grant themselves any new powers. The federal government is still one of enumerated powers, and states cannot act arbitrarily.
"Either the Constitution matters or it is just a piece of paper in the national archives"
Another interesting thing.
This says 21. Another source said 18. I'm not sure what the count is right now, but this is uh... shaping up. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720094663217905774/786511791659155466/1607588884862.png
didnt Colorado express an interest?
But nah, I'm sure 21 states are just insane, delusional Trump supporters, right?
How can I get my state involved?
@d0c5i5, you just advanced to level 2!
Write your Attorney General. Start a petition to your Attorney General. More likely you just need to find the active one.
To my knowledge the 18-21 other states are just in support of the lawsuit to be heard by SCOTUS. They haven’t necessarily intervened, correct?
There is no constitutional provision for "emergency powers"
It is functionally just martial law where "If I can get away with this then I can do this - might makes right".
And that was my point.
I don't know how many of them have filed "Friend of the Court" documents supporting it. But I believe some have.
@Starscraper I though you were banned for using hate speech.
I think your speech is pretty hateful, too
Agreed... While the left bears most of the blame for running with that narrative, I think that Trump could have done a better job early on to quash that whole thing. He and his team were knew to the whole DC thing - that was their appeal. They had some meetings that should have been reported that didn't go anywhere - if he had come clean, there would have been short term embarrassment, but it would've blown over in days. The Russians wanted the Trump administration to appear compromised and probably made sure it was revealed. The goal was to cause division in the US and they succeeded.
Countries that want to weaken the US couldn't be happier about the way things are transpiring now. We all grow up learning that United, we stand, Divided, we fall. We should take heed. I hope Biden resists the urge to go after Trump.
Paxton was on Crowder this morning and he asserted that between 5-10 states /might/ join the case.
In regards to the young woman in Florida being rated by the SWAT team.
Interesting point being, people think those certain Trump supporters are crazy for calling for martial law, but we've been under martial law for months now.
Fortunately most police officers in most places have been smarter than to try to enforce it.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that “emergency may not create power.” Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917), citing Ex Parte Milligan, 4 Wall. 2 (1866). The Civil War did not give President Lincoln the authority to have civilians in Indiana tried by military commissions without due process of law. (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/_in_a_national_emergency_does_the_constitution_still_apply.html)
Typically the government can do whatever it likes if the remedy has to be sought through a court, who pays for that? Talking about in the best of times.
It’s a power grab for all of the opportunists in the Gov.
@TaLoN132 i think when asked biden said he wouldn't. Im not sure it would be a good move for him and trump is only really a threat if he is in a position of power.
Agreed
Power hungry politicians dream of a crisis like this because if you refuse their over reach they can shame you for killing grandma.
Martial Law would require the military's cooperation. That will not happen. The Joint Chiefs have already signaled that they would support the legal winner of the election, which will be Biden. The electors have all been slated and in 4 days, their votes will all be sent to DC to await being counted on Jan 6.
You’re still so resilient on your belief that he won fair and square. That is fascinating to me.
The whole overreaching response from government has always made me think of this quote;
> “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956