Message from @Zuluzeit

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2020-12-13 20:13:36 UTC  

Keep in mind, there are cases in US history where the legislature went over the vote of the citizens and it worked.

2020-12-13 20:13:42 UTC  

I believe it was Andrew Jackson?

2020-12-13 20:14:10 UTC  

Yeah Jackson wasn't a contentious presidency or anything. Lol

2020-12-13 20:14:12 UTC  

And I think it spawned the phrase 'Jacksonian democracy'

2020-12-13 20:14:18 UTC  

Jackson was fucking nuts.

2020-12-13 20:14:24 UTC  

But that's beside the point lmao

2020-12-13 20:14:51 UTC  

Love the guy. He was hilarious. Same birthday as me. True story.

2020-12-13 20:14:59 UTC  

He was nuts.

2020-12-13 20:15:06 UTC  

Lol correct

2020-12-13 20:15:07 UTC  

Pew pew jackson?

2020-12-13 20:15:14 UTC  

Pew Pew Jackson, yes.

2020-12-13 20:15:31 UTC  

LOL.... I think I missed a joke. @SoonMrWick you were saying that you can yell "fire" in a empty theater, right?

I just thought there might have been a ruling that broadened the type of Speech protected by the 1st Amendment.

My bad.

2020-12-13 20:16:05 UTC  

Yes. If it's on Fire...

2020-12-13 20:16:54 UTC  

I added it as a second post and I type slowly. So you may have read the first line and went off to the races.

2020-12-13 20:17:15 UTC  

Emphasis on EMPTY.

2020-12-13 20:17:28 UTC  

I feel you. I too am a slow typist.

2020-12-13 20:18:00 UTC  

@William Dinan If the state legislatures pick Trump electors they can not be sued in state court

2020-12-13 20:18:04 UTC  

Now

2020-12-13 20:18:10 UTC  

Mine is compounded by slow thinking as well, though.

2020-12-13 20:18:29 UTC  

Don't you type on your phone Zulu?

2020-12-13 20:18:34 UTC  

I do

2020-12-13 20:18:38 UTC  

There you go.

2020-12-13 20:18:58 UTC  

Yeah, keyboard would be closer to human speed for sure.

2020-12-13 20:19:07 UTC  

We setup a system such that state legislatures can setup how voters choose electors and then they cannot change those rules after the fact without the aide of a special session which they do not have this leaving electors to the voters. They tried to argue the state Congress should have the power to overturn voters electors in court based on their greviences with the supposed irregular vote and the Trump appointed judge did not agree. The administration of the election by the rules created by the legislature were sufficiently followed and they shouldn't be allowed to set aside the popular vote for political reasons.

2020-12-13 20:19:13 UTC  

Tortoise warp 9, engage.

2020-12-13 20:19:19 UTC  

Hahaha

2020-12-13 20:19:55 UTC  

The utterance is not what makes it illegal. It's the Panic you cause if it not on Fire and a Lie. If no one hears the utterance in an empty Theater, you cause no Panic.

2020-12-13 20:20:48 UTC  

Also yes, I'm pretty sure you are exempt if it's true.

2020-12-13 20:20:53 UTC  

Not sure, but pretty sure.

2020-12-13 20:20:55 UTC  

Lol

2020-12-13 20:21:02 UTC  

I'm not saying theres zero argument for state congress having absolute authority to ignore the will of the people. But clearly the furthest right judicial members are not agreeing these arguments are solidly founded in law.

2020-12-13 20:21:06 UTC  

Same goes for defamation/libel.

2020-12-13 20:21:11 UTC  

A Prime example of Nuance....

2020-12-13 20:21:23 UTC  

It's the like, pen ultimate defense.

2020-12-13 20:21:33 UTC  

Unless you called the wrong operator and they're having a really bad day.

2020-12-13 20:21:34 UTC  

Well.... that was just an example the court used.

Not ALL speech is protected by the Constitution. While it is interpreted broadly there are lots of utterances that are not protected.

2020-12-13 20:21:37 UTC  

I tried handling nuance. It didn't take.

2020-12-13 20:22:41 UTC  

So basically its not that the utterance (word or phrase) is ILLEGAL.... its whether or not it is protected by the first Amendment.

2020-12-13 20:22:41 UTC  

Don't take the Example as Absolute. There are Nuances in Law.

2020-12-13 20:23:19 UTC  

Well yes, I'm pretty sure everyone knows there are exceptions to the first amendment.

2020-12-13 20:23:41 UTC