Yeah until they shift to the left after much resistance @William Dinan

Arguing from a Position of Absolutes is very tricky.

It's almost like people don't like change.

Imagine my shock.

Long term gain? I recall this BS starting back before the 2016 race and I have yet to see any meaningful gain from the actions taken in its name. I've only seen destruction o removal. Of what? Well, basically anything that doesn't align with the forces behind the "progress" being made. This "short term pain" is not short term in the least. It has persisted since it started and has contributed nothing.

> Quite possible.
@Maw Neither typically bothers me but I like to pretend they both do.

@DeathRhodes666 yes that’s what the right wing media pumps out as a scare tactic

You realize the slippery slope argument is an argument that looks to the long term yes?

They did the same with gay marriage , women voting , seat belts @DeathRhodes666

@Maw it assumes something will lead to an other

So Obama is conservative.

@Maw like everyone

Everyone is conservative.

Everyone is conservative relative to something @Maw

That feel when you continue to make words mean less.

No the further back in time you go the more conservative views become

Today’s liberal is tomorrows conservative

This is how It’s always been

Ok. I need to see some evidence here. The argument isn't supporting the premise nor conclusion.

Yes, I am aware of the overton window shift.

So yeah Obama today or 20 years from know would be conservative

You do realize that all progress is not always positive, right? We're talking about methods of progress.

Methods of progress are not always positive.

Stagnation is always negative

Take a chance on progress and correct as you go

A Slippery Slope argument is usually achieved by Emotional responses prior to any meaningful thought or reflection?

Pretty reckless.

The job of the conservative is to be a little bit of a stick in the mud

That is their utility

Like China testing gene manipulation on real live humans?

This is how things operate

"We just cut people open while they were alive for progress, it's a good thing." You realize methods of progress can be inherently bad, yes?

@Cali La La China had no moral ethics and poorer safety standards. They crispr cas 9 a pair of twins to be hiv resistant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e0LVlXqCIg&ab_channel=TheFinanceHub

Then we never heard from the doctor again

@Maw we have ethical standards

We can’t do a lot of things

I think they're more talking about Unit 731.

I know

America then paid for the research

Yep.