@meglide 80 percent is preventable. That means your current heart patients are self induced and get it earlier in life. Meaning the duration of having the disease is longer. If you happen to be 80 years old and get heart disease you may only suffer with it for 4 or 5 years but if someone got it at 50 he suffer with it for 10+ years. Thus more money spent

@DeathRhodes666 I think they should

@DeathRhodes666 sweden imported large amounts of people during the 90ies, 2000s and 2010s. Now not needed as workforce, and outside society. They are the ones dying now.

Its why sweden isnt up in arms.

They are actually saving cash.

@meglide again that’s with half the population following one behavior set vs the other half

@Doc. I would be interested in looking at their Expected Deaths Numbers?

@William Dinan Im lying down now, but its a date. I can google in swedish. Ill look for it tomorrow.

like I said you don't listen (know of lots of counter-examples) ... more folks are living into their 80's precisely because modern medicine allows folks to live longer with medical conditions that would have killed them earlier in the past

That's where we disagree. Governments should only be involved at the most minimal level possible. Anything that involves making decisions for the country's citizens on a personal level is not something they need or should be involved in.

Thanks. It's only one Data Point. It may be interesting.

@meglide yes the whole time spending money to keep them alive , money that need not be spent

@DeathRhodes666 no

If you take care of yourself you spend less money in your later years and for a shorter duration @DeathRhodes666

yes they could all just die young like in the past and then social security and medicare wouldn't pose such a financial problem ... got it

Or they could just not get heart disease in the first place and not need medication to stay alive @meglide these people would have lived to 80 without heart disease and taxing the system

And where should the government be involved in making the personal decisions to take care of yourself?

If people took care of themselves they could retire later than 65 @meglide

@DeathRhodes666 it’s not a personal decision. It’s just access to preventive care. A healthy society is a productive , smarter and more happy society

Or simply ration Medical Care on a age basis and return on investment?

you are so thick-headed you don't know what you are talking about ... put on your thinking cap for a second and consider what was the average life span 100 yrs ago prior to modern medicine? what percent lived into their 80's?

@meglide again our care went up but so did our crappy diets. People used to die from infections not heart disease in the past.

Then wouldn't better nutritional education be the better option? Or even start a culture of healthy living an eating? Both of which do not require government involvement at all?

or if they saved up they could retire earlier ... retirement and health are somewhat unrelated, although lots of folks health goes up in retirement

https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/190514_heart_disease_rate.png

@DeathRhodes666 eduction and access to health care go hand in hand

They don't though. Like, not at all....How?

@Doc medication and prevention thank you the NHS

never mind @Doc just schooled you

He proved my point

whatever you say

That is the UK with NHS

You know the UK has the NHS right? @meglide

woops...

germany is above you. 😄

So all the other counties perform better

@james j 🤣 they say laughter is good for the heart ... thanks for your medicine

@james j ideology is dangerous. Avoid it.

I was able to predict you would claim it was NHS, so I had some fun.

It’s about getting it