if everyone used only their homebowl, it would be managable

That's a household in a nutshell.

@Maw public gatherings of strangers are avoidable

Well according to many scientific outlets, public gatherings aren't the culprit, but indoor events with shared bathroom use are.

you know not what you are talking about

Heck, apparently even public transport doesn't cause much spread apparently.

@Maw indoor events with strangers

Those effective and "inexpensive" point-of-care systems are not that inexpensive when you dig into the details. One of the reasons is ridiculously high tax rates to cover the costs. There's a lot more that goes into those systems' effectiveness than just competent governments (which is an oxymoron). The ineptitude of government isn't strictly because conservatives are taught to hate the government (and rightly so), but due to the actual instances where the government has proven its ineptitude such as Ruby Ridge, Waco, Texas, and the Bundy Ranch incident, you see how the government doesn't work and can't be trusted. Conservatives agree that some form and level of government is needed to keep things moving. Typically, that's a minimal amount of government, specifically what it's granted via Constitution.

@Maw yes! surprisingly awake as usual

@meglide 80 percent of heart disease Is preventable

@james j Sweden is pretty much the same as the US currently

Shh, they're just better.

And who should make the decision? Who does the Personal Risk/Reward analysis?

no problem

everyone is a virologist now.

proves my point ... delay is not the same as prevention

@DeathRhodes666 you are talking about cops using force. I am talking about running a Medicare system. Even with the high tax rate they still pay less a year compare to us. It’s cheaper any way you slice it

facts bounce off @james j like a rubber ball

@meglide no if it’s preventable you don’t spend as much money as if you got it early in life

You don’t seem to understand this

It’s the time with the disease spent which gets expensive

By looking at that Chart, per capita they are probably worse?

Federal Government using force. And just like how they've continuously shown they can't do really anything without causing more damage or injury in the process, their methods would translate right on over to the healthcare industry. Perfect example of government-run healthcare: the VA.

you don't seem to understand the difference in delay and prevention ... you don't seem to understand later in life care expense not being self-imposed ... lots you seem not to be getting

@meglide if we did what Sweden did we would do much worse. That our numbers with half the population being cautious.

@james j Federal government and state governments should not be involved in anything they are not originally allowed or stated as having the ability to be involved in. It destroys more than creates, bogs down more than frees up, and costs more than reduces costs.

look at that chart again, it's on a per million basis so thus scaled to population ... @Maw see what I mean?

let me know if you want a rather interesting and political incorrect fact on sweden and the pandemic.

i'm interested

Sure. Why not mix it up...

@meglide 80 percent is preventable. That means your current heart patients are self induced and get it earlier in life. Meaning the duration of having the disease is longer. If you happen to be 80 years old and get heart disease you may only suffer with it for 4 or 5 years but if someone got it at 50 he suffer with it for 10+ years. Thus more money spent

@DeathRhodes666 I think they should

@DeathRhodes666 sweden imported large amounts of people during the 90ies, 2000s and 2010s. Now not needed as workforce, and outside society. They are the ones dying now.

Its why sweden isnt up in arms.

They are actually saving cash.

@meglide again that’s with half the population following one behavior set vs the other half

@Doc. I would be interested in looking at their Expected Deaths Numbers?

@William Dinan Im lying down now, but its a date. I can google in swedish. Ill look for it tomorrow.

like I said you don't listen (know of lots of counter-examples) ... more folks are living into their 80's precisely because modern medicine allows folks to live longer with medical conditions that would have killed them earlier in the past

That's where we disagree. Governments should only be involved at the most minimal level possible. Anything that involves making decisions for the country's citizens on a personal level is not something they need or should be involved in.

Thanks. It's only one Data Point. It may be interesting.