@DeathRhodes666 Docopolis

Are you a God? Are you omnipotent? Or do you have anything to back up the statement you just made?

Those same three points can also be used as a blaming mechanism for progressive ineptitude of government you know? Except progressives want gov't to work, only for them. They also elect idiots (AOC), and not just sabotage but also propose ineffective, comprehensive programs.

Could just keep it simple and call it...Doc

some folks live perfectly healthy lives with heart disease kept in check with simple medicines for decades, this heart disease was not an result of unhealthy diet or obesity, genetics perhaps, environmental factors beyond one's control, maybe even a virus ... ask me how I know

Like that scene form Holy Grail where they met the wizard.

That was me, actully.

Its the one thing I dont know- swallows.

If you're about to come at me with inferences, I'd suggest you not.

There are plenty of examples of competent governments with Better health outcome and spend much less @DeathRhodes666 you think conservatives won’t get m4a. Like I said this isn’t some fantasy. There are tons of example of effective , inexpensive at point of care systems worldwide. This ineptitude of government is specify to conservatives because of how they view government. It’s not that it doesn’t work , they don’t want it to work because they were trained from birth to think government is evil.

@Maw avoidable because people there took no precautions and had all the cornfields in the world to socially distance. They didn’t live on top of each other like nyc

And you know this how? Also how can you be certain the spread didn't happen in their private households primarily?

private households are 35 %

the rest are pubs and clubs

south Dakota has pubs.

Sounds like a large chunk is unavoidable then.

@Maw as long as people insist on eating and shitting in the same places, yes.

@meglide most disease that gets expensive later in life is self imposed. Heart patients can do ok with drugs. Still something avoidable. There is natural deterioration and force and sped up deterioration. There are people other genetic conditions but that is not the majority

if everyone used only their homebowl, it would be managable

That's a household in a nutshell.

@Maw public gatherings of strangers are avoidable

Well according to many scientific outlets, public gatherings aren't the culprit, but indoor events with shared bathroom use are.

you know not what you are talking about

Heck, apparently even public transport doesn't cause much spread apparently.

@Maw indoor events with strangers

Those effective and "inexpensive" point-of-care systems are not that inexpensive when you dig into the details. One of the reasons is ridiculously high tax rates to cover the costs. There's a lot more that goes into those systems' effectiveness than just competent governments (which is an oxymoron). The ineptitude of government isn't strictly because conservatives are taught to hate the government (and rightly so), but due to the actual instances where the government has proven its ineptitude such as Ruby Ridge, Waco, Texas, and the Bundy Ranch incident, you see how the government doesn't work and can't be trusted. Conservatives agree that some form and level of government is needed to keep things moving. Typically, that's a minimal amount of government, specifically what it's granted via Constitution.

@Maw yes! surprisingly awake as usual

@meglide 80 percent of heart disease Is preventable

@james j Sweden is pretty much the same as the US currently

Shh, they're just better.

And who should make the decision? Who does the Personal Risk/Reward analysis?

no problem

everyone is a virologist now.

proves my point ... delay is not the same as prevention

@DeathRhodes666 you are talking about cops using force. I am talking about running a Medicare system. Even with the high tax rate they still pay less a year compare to us. It’s cheaper any way you slice it

facts bounce off @james j like a rubber ball

@meglide no if it’s preventable you don’t spend as much money as if you got it early in life

You don’t seem to understand this

It’s the time with the disease spent which gets expensive

By looking at that Chart, per capita they are probably worse?

Federal Government using force. And just like how they've continuously shown they can't do really anything without causing more damage or injury in the process, their methods would translate right on over to the healthcare industry. Perfect example of government-run healthcare: the VA.