Message from @Livingstone
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Ok... It wasn't a reply, so it looked bad.
@TaLoN132 so here you go, somebody does some half-baked analysis that supposedly shows election fraud, the President picks this story up, Tweets about it, his supporters pick up on it, and then when the Associated Press does a fact check on it, they consider it fake news because the AP is bias and so the echo chamber continues ... rinse and repeat ...
https://www.pennlive.com/elections/2020/12/there-were-not-more-votes-than-voters-in-pa-ap-fact-check.html
Yes you keep pointing to Trump appointed people as evidence of election fraud. What you posted about the DNI was also true in 2016. So what @Livingstone
@Livingstone you pointed to a procedural case not a fraud case
You pointed to a chart that assumes things that are not true made by something a 4 th grader would make @Livingstone
Florida is one. They were great on election night. Finished counting on November 4 and was called around 12:30 because 96% of the expected votes were arrived and counted. That should be congratulated.
Yeah because they did away with the Republican rule of having to wait to count mail ins until after the close of polls. Other states did not adopt this rule hence the red mirage @Livingstone
Ok. Are you really calling the chart from the Navarro report something that a court grader could do?
Yes look at it. It takes data that isn’t real, it uses a check mark system that could be used for any election, it is trash . @Livingstone
I have come to the conclusion that the biggest threats to American democracy are the divisive echo chambers. We are doomed if we don't figure out a way to collectively break out of them. There are some that are trying, but they strangely remain partisan and seem at times more interested in creating their own echo chambers - i.e. TYT and the Lincoln Project.
This guys has been wrong about every single economic prediction since he has been on trumps team @Livingstone
@meglide That's the thing. All someone has to do is say it out loud and it's put on a level playing field of validity. It's absorbed faster than it can be questioned and you can never take it back.
Ok. If it was true in 2016 and we went through the Mueller investigation and the impeachment process then should we not have an investigation since it’s the same thing as 2016?
FL was allowed to start counting mail-in ballots the day before the election. Not just process them, but to start actually counting them.
@Livingstone again for the millionth time. That has nothing to do with the election process it self. You know the voting and the election actually being fraudulent. That had to do with influence of the election . Same as now
Why people can’t see this distinction I will never know
I think everyone agrees we need to fix the system, and I think many people feel this election had some serious issues; however, these issues are not severe enough to literally go out and change the results of an election. The fact people are looking to overturn election results for some decent evidence of things going wrong just doesn't meet the standard required to disenfranchise millions upon millions of votes. Sorry, that's just how it is.
The elites now want to keep the pandemic going forever. THere are talks of this being the new normal and lockdowns continuing. WTF?
The procedure allowed room for human error and possible fraud. We were discussing voter irregularities and fraud and I showed you that case. Then you said that they should have brought it earlier. So I pointed out that the oral arguments happened in September which meant that the briefs were filed. You are denying that there is any proof of fraud. This case shows that there is room for fraud to occur and that the county was erroneous in its actions.
People are now taking an 'all-or-nothing' approach and that's dangerous for the country. Nothing will get fixed.
He is human, James. I would have a hard time predicting during a pandemic and election year as well. But a few years of bad predictions does not discredit his entire career.
@Livingstone yes and they lost that case as it would disenfranchise people who took the pandemic seriously. That is not a fraud case
We are living through V for Vendetta
@Livingstone he was wrong about things from 2016 well before the pandemic
Doomsaying is also extremely bad for the country.
The IRS is hiring 50% more people to do MORE AUDITS on small businesses to wipe out the ones that survive.
Meanwhile big Corps are allowed to operate while small businesses are closed.
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Lincoln Project is an interesting one. I've following them for some time. Supposedly they're Republicans that want Trump gone and I can empathize with that. But it also seems they now want the Democrats to control the Senate. That I don't get.
It's the opposite to Trump supporters just saying split the GOP and then we have one-party rule. (I don't know why they don't think this is exactly what will happen)
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There is a big difference between "room for fraud" and actual fraud. If widespread fraud - in the amount that could have overturned the election - occurred, the focus should be on proving that fraud actually occurred. With 8 weeks having passed, there has been plenty of time for that to happen. That is what the courts have been asking for.
The cases were asking for injunctions to prevent the election for moving forward. Those were denied, but Trump's team still had the obligation to go out and prove fraud - that's what the 100's of millions of dollars in the Trump legal fund should be spent on. They should be hiring private investigators to find people who voted fraudulently. Law enforcement officers who favored Trump could be investigating and making arrests. Why is that not happening? It would shut the Dems up immediately.
well what they're going to find is that big corporations disguised as small businesses took the money for most of those PPP loans and the small businesses really weren't saved by these loans
If this overturn attempt fails (and it will), we need to put our heads together and try to fix the system without "WE MUST OVERTURN YOUR RESULTS!" so we actually get some good, meaningful change done to the system, rather than leave it broken.
Shell companies, placeholder companies, companies that pass money through to other companies, etc.
They consider members of congress that support Trump to be the real RINO's. By getting Biden both houses, they are hoping to expose them and look to replace them in the coming elections. They also really hate Loeffler and Perdue.
They are also appealing to moderate/centrist Dems. It might be a decent strategy. Attack from the middle. Or they could just fizzle after they get Trump out of office from lack of a singular focus. Time will tell.
Pretty sure the focus on small business is relative to finding money laundering and tax evasion from bigger corporations using small business.
I guess the “recount of all ballots” at the State Farm Building in Fulton County will show the truth about election integrity there. I do think that the majority of Americans are truly on the same page when it comes to wanting to keep our republic. Despite jibes at my intelligence and misinformation about the stereotypical Trump supporters that were posted here, I do appreciate the discussion, so thank you for participating today.
@Lorinda, you just advanced to level 2!
If people are jibing at your intelligence, let me know. It's against the rules.