Message from @Maw

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2020-11-09 20:12:59 UTC  

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2020-11-09 20:13:37 UTC  

"offices, schools and events"

2020-11-09 20:13:44 UTC  

transport being 1.7%

2020-11-09 20:14:16 UTC  

I'd be interested in where this data was sourced, as lots of public transportation methods were shut down.

2020-11-09 20:14:26 UTC  

And still are in some places.

2020-11-09 20:14:28 UTC  

source is included

2020-11-09 20:16:57 UTC  

Is this relative to cases per collective, or is this the per capita rate?

2020-11-09 20:17:18 UTC  

2830 cases traced back to their most likely transmission.

2020-11-09 20:17:34 UTC  

You will find the same pattern in most such studies.

2020-11-09 20:18:09 UTC  

You will also find that short flight post very little risk, but that it jumps up to significant as the flight is transcontinental.

2020-11-09 20:18:28 UTC  

same with train-travel.

2020-11-09 20:18:50 UTC  

That's consistent with public toilet use.

2020-11-09 20:18:55 UTC  

indeed it is.

2020-11-09 20:19:46 UTC  

and swab tests from infected cruice ships find the highest probability of an RNA-sample to be positive, when taken from a bathroom floor.

2020-11-09 20:20:12 UTC  

This is the origin of the confusion.

2020-11-09 20:20:58 UTC  

sure, the mask will protect you to some extent from those aerosols, but there is a much more probable pathway.

2020-11-09 20:21:09 UTC  

Touching your face or your food.

2020-11-09 20:21:34 UTC  

after a restroom visit.

2020-11-09 20:21:39 UTC  

I'm surprised to say the least that it was contaminated surfaces that were the primary cause.

2020-11-09 20:21:47 UTC  

But I mean, it makes sense.

2020-11-09 20:22:30 UTC  

We've known it's transmissible via fecal matter for a long time too.

2020-11-09 20:22:39 UTC  

The excretion of virus particles in faces is massive.

2020-11-09 20:22:42 UTC  

ah, yes.

2020-11-09 20:23:16 UTC  

A study from singapore showing a concentration of virus in brown water 200 times higher than was expected based on infection-rate.

2020-11-09 20:23:54 UTC  

that could be silent cases, but still a significant finding.

2020-11-09 20:24:12 UTC  

I'd be surprised if anyone that worked a water treatment plant wasn't infected at some point.

2020-11-09 20:24:17 UTC  

I/C is high for covid 19

2020-11-09 20:24:35 UTC  

interesting point! Ill check for that when I have time.

2020-11-09 20:24:54 UTC  

good thinking. Clever dude/maam.

2020-11-09 20:25:02 UTC  

Cheers!

2020-11-09 20:25:50 UTC  

Includes people that have to work with septic tanks, and utility workers that have to go into into any sewage environment.

2020-11-09 20:26:29 UTC  

well, you dont know its denaturation time exactly, so I would want to check and see if toilet cleaners have a Relative Risk that is significant.

2020-11-09 20:26:45 UTC  

That too.

2020-11-09 20:27:03 UTC  

the singapore study didnt look for operational virii, but RNA fragments.

2020-11-09 20:28:11 UTC  

Water also furthers the expected lifespan of the virus itself.

2020-11-09 20:28:18 UTC  

To potentially weeks.

2020-11-09 20:28:29 UTC  

Its worth reading the cruice ship swab studies too. They found the highest probability on bathroom floors, and the second on pillows.

2020-11-09 20:28:47 UTC  

40 something and 30 something.

2020-11-09 20:29:52 UTC  

I saw one interesting case here, where an entire nursing home got infected, yet the staff had observed all rules and regulations.

2020-11-09 20:29:54 UTC  

why would you put your mask back on before washing your hands

2020-11-09 20:30:02 UTC  

They had been sharing bathrooms, however.