Message from @Doc

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2020-11-09 20:00:27 UTC  

Yeah, more contact with the face/eyes. I've heard eye contact is less of an issue because of the disease type, but for sure touching your mask all the time isn't good.

2020-11-09 20:00:51 UTC  

which makes mask with no gloves pointless.

2020-11-09 20:01:16 UTC  

Also eating with gloves, and not swapping gloves kinda pointless as well.

2020-11-09 20:01:50 UTC  

exactly. When stitching up a hep-pt you burn through 5 sets of gloves in 10 minutes.

2020-11-09 20:02:51 UTC  

I don't doubt it.

2020-11-09 20:03:38 UTC  

so...yah....wear a mask, but dont touch it, and pointless if you go to public restrooms.

2020-11-09 20:04:20 UTC  

and depending on how you design your study then, you will get "equivocallity" when studying the effects of the mask.

2020-11-09 20:04:26 UTC  

If you can smell it while wearing a mask, it's not helping you in any meaningful way.

2020-11-09 20:06:13 UTC  

(That's also how you test mask fits, folks, by smell!)

2020-11-09 20:06:26 UTC  

Exclusive to n95s though.

2020-11-09 20:09:56 UTC  

And even then, you then need to know how to fully get rid of PPE that's contaminated in a way that you don't accidentally infect yourself. Which usually involves other people helping you.

2020-11-09 20:12:59 UTC  

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2020-11-09 20:13:37 UTC  

"offices, schools and events"

2020-11-09 20:13:44 UTC  

transport being 1.7%

2020-11-09 20:14:16 UTC  

I'd be interested in where this data was sourced, as lots of public transportation methods were shut down.

2020-11-09 20:14:26 UTC  

And still are in some places.

2020-11-09 20:14:28 UTC  

source is included

2020-11-09 20:16:57 UTC  

Is this relative to cases per collective, or is this the per capita rate?

2020-11-09 20:17:18 UTC  

2830 cases traced back to their most likely transmission.

2020-11-09 20:17:34 UTC  

You will find the same pattern in most such studies.

2020-11-09 20:18:09 UTC  

You will also find that short flight post very little risk, but that it jumps up to significant as the flight is transcontinental.

2020-11-09 20:18:28 UTC  

same with train-travel.

2020-11-09 20:18:50 UTC  

That's consistent with public toilet use.

2020-11-09 20:18:55 UTC  

indeed it is.

2020-11-09 20:19:46 UTC  

and swab tests from infected cruice ships find the highest probability of an RNA-sample to be positive, when taken from a bathroom floor.

2020-11-09 20:20:12 UTC  

This is the origin of the confusion.

2020-11-09 20:20:58 UTC  

sure, the mask will protect you to some extent from those aerosols, but there is a much more probable pathway.

2020-11-09 20:21:09 UTC  

Touching your face or your food.

2020-11-09 20:21:34 UTC  

after a restroom visit.

2020-11-09 20:21:39 UTC  

I'm surprised to say the least that it was contaminated surfaces that were the primary cause.

2020-11-09 20:21:47 UTC  

But I mean, it makes sense.

2020-11-09 20:22:30 UTC  

We've known it's transmissible via fecal matter for a long time too.

2020-11-09 20:22:39 UTC  

The excretion of virus particles in faces is massive.

2020-11-09 20:22:42 UTC  

ah, yes.

2020-11-09 20:23:16 UTC  

A study from singapore showing a concentration of virus in brown water 200 times higher than was expected based on infection-rate.

2020-11-09 20:23:54 UTC  

that could be silent cases, but still a significant finding.

2020-11-09 20:24:12 UTC  

I'd be surprised if anyone that worked a water treatment plant wasn't infected at some point.

2020-11-09 20:24:17 UTC  

I/C is high for covid 19

2020-11-09 20:24:35 UTC  

interesting point! Ill check for that when I have time.

2020-11-09 20:24:54 UTC  

good thinking. Clever dude/maam.

2020-11-09 20:25:02 UTC  

Cheers!