Message from @English Remi
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Nice... I put mine together hastily.
I made that after the she called this nonsense the kraken 😂
This goes to show that legitimate ballots would have been legally applied for, mailed out, received and returned since people had to go through a process to receive them. Good - but that does not address your FB friend's contention that others were mailed out since the signature verification was effectively eliminated - besides there having to be some sort of signature. And thanks to "voting rights" activists, and forensically destructive separation of envelope and ballot we do not know what proportion of those received were legitimate. Furthermore, Giuliani said that there was a 700 000 discrepancy between the number of these ballots received and the number counted. These things need to be looked at and it seems that so far the Dem side is doing all it can to oppose anyone looking seriously.
my FB friend's contention was wrong he was saying ballots but it was applications for ballots, the voter had to return the application to get a ballot, they might have gotten more than one blank application in the mail but the system was set up to send them only one ballot at their request, that is in response to a filled out application
@English Remi if Giuliani has evidence he has had ample time to bring it ... there have been nearly 50 cases in numerous states, none so far have proven fraud to the standard required in a court
Guiliani is not a trustworthy source for anything. That particular mistruth he was referring to was iirc 2.5 million ballots cast by all parties (actually 2.6) and 1.8 million ballots request by Democrats ( actually 1.9) which ofc is not a real comparison as with GOP and independents and third parties all included the numbers ofc check out.
@Dedkraken what state is this?
PA Guiliani used the mismatch to claim Dems made up 700k illegal votes and that basically 0 mailin votes went to Trump. Super weird I think Trump got like 600k mailin votes and the independents made up the rest.
The 100k bumps happened as they completed counting votes it was pretty early.
At the core of Modern Liberal thought is a fundamental belief that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative, and its opposite is to be capable of discriminating thought - the very foundation of rational comparison of means, goals, and results. ~ paraphrase of Evan Sayet.
Here's Giuliani's claims. I don't understand what he's saying with respect to the numbers posted on PA election website. https://www.insidesources.com/in-pa-hearing-giuliani-makes-his-case-for-voter-fraud-gone-wild/
Do we know why duplicate applications were being sent out? Do we know how many duplicates were returned and rejected because that address had already received its quota? Without proper signature verification that is not possible.
@English Remi so I guess you could request a mail-in ballot when you voted in the primary and not know it but seemed that the system was set up to catch that ... "ne out of every five requests for mail ballots is being rejected in Pennsylvania"
That would require a court in the system that permitted this "flexibility" allowing the matter to go to trial. When a judge said she would hear it the state supreme court blocked that. None of this manoeuvring to NOT HEAR cases goes to quell the belief that there were shenanigans.
@English Remi, you just advanced to level 2!
I'm lost as to what you mean? Guiliani said this in public to trick people. Even though he made some crazy claims in court he didnt make this claim it never hinged on anything. The total number of requested ballots explained the results.
Long live the PLA.
courts are setup a certain way to prevent abuse, things like you have to have standing, you have to file in the court that has jurisdiction, etc. are all there for a reason ... multiple duplicate cases were filed, some 50 in total .... the court filings are all available to the public along with the rulings and folks can go and read them ... problem is that there are rumors flying about and folks are believing these rumors rather than going to look the court cases up for themselves
Thank you. That is helpful.... but without effective signature verification how do we know that those that were accepted were legit?
We don't...
There's actually no way to tell what went on sanctity of the vote...
Never mind that....
You have to prove who you are to get a ballot and then your identity gets checked again when you turn it in. Signature verification was never a top notch method to identify folks but rather used as a way to remove legal votes.
Perhaps someone can explain why they would trust the media that lied about Hunter Biden... Before the election but now...
Signature verification isn't s***... Pardon my English.
You can believe whatever you like...
how do we know they aren't ... PA and other states have their rules regarding ensuring the ballots cast are legit and the federal system allows a great latitude in those rules, so if the PA election officials followed those rules and the state certifies those ballots then they are legit in the eyes of the state and the federal government
Will part of a power structure allow it frame work to be attacked? This would undermine the power of the persons in the power structure.
So the headline would be: "State that relaxes certification rules, certifies ensuing vote. therefore vote is legal." - when I say "legit" I do not mean in a circular legalistic way, but in a way which people can trust.
Yes goodness is this can go one of two ways but both ways civil war.
signatures are required to affirm you are who you say you are and a legal voter ... you have to sign to vote in person or by mail ... that signature can be used to prosecute you if you did something illegal like lied about your status
Anyone who thinks differently could be naive.
That's me because I have Indian company and I have to sign a piece of paper about 10 times before they accept my name, verification.
Copy the email will be provided upon request...
So...
Not free worldly
folks trusted it right up until the Nov 2020 elections where in the run up to the election Trump claimed that if he lost it would be because of voter fraud ... note by these same rules Trump was selected in PA to be the Republican nominee in the primary
And if that verification is removed there is no longer a way to show that you are. Why would they remove that condition in the name of "voter rights".