Cool. Yeah Lincoln did something similar with Maryland I believe

Smart move tactically I suppose

@Kingfish Lincoln also originally planned on sending the slaves back to Africa but his death prevented that

Yeah I think the best case scenario would have been Lincoln living to see through whatever he had planned

Lincoln has been often described as a tyrant for a reason, but I suppose that’s mainly due to his Caesarian style

He was in complete control of the nation and had the power necessary to positively bypass congress

I think like Caesar, tyrant is certainly a title you can accuse him of

But how accurate it is will change from who you ask

Many will argue however that his strong measures were needed to keep together the nation

But that’s neither here nor there

I personally subscribe to that belief.

For better or worse

As do I.

He did what he felt necessary

I think that America is more than a government though

It was a tragedy for everyone

And that such a view may be a bit mistaken

Both sides were Americans

With the Confederate side being more along the lines of what the Founding Fathers intended regarding small government and states rights

I actually would agree. I believe the confederates absolutely had a more literalist view of what the founders intended

The Founders were not unified in their views, to be fair.

@The Eternal Anglo We arent a democracy but a constitutional republic 😉

I think that they had a culture deeply rooted in a system that was beginning to trail behind and the rift created irreconcilable differences

Never forget that universal suffrage wasn’t a thing. We did republicanism *right*

Jackson did one thing wrong

It was a mutual fight to determine just what this nation was

And one side won

@Kingfish That breaks my heart actually but it’s true

The civil war was awful

I’m sympathetic to the idealism of it

I really am

But as a Pennsylvanian with family who fought for the union, I firmly stand on my side of the line haha

I don’t have any ancestry or ethnic ties to the southern society and being from an Italian Catholic background I understandably can’t really say I’d side with the south. But like I said I understand the idealism and respect the will of those who fought for what they believed to be right

For better or worse

@DixieBoy76 - KY I have a ancestor that fought for the union as well in Oklahoma

When he came home for his wife to give birth he was killed by bushwackers

I’d highly recommend doing a family tree and trying to go back as far as possible/meeting family members you never really knew you had, even if it’s just online. It gave me a big sense of where I came from and my role in carrying the torch. I think it’s an enjoyable hobby as well, good thing you can share if your parents and grandparents.

@Rick Flair The furthest back I’ve gotten is the 1790’s

I was able to get back to the late 1700s in Italy

traced one side of my family back to 1280AD in the HRE