JUS FOR YOUR INFO

Is that why it pops up sometimes in other religious tomes

So the Bible isn’t ordered right

Because job is somewhere in the middle

IS YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY and history in “ perfect order” ?? I think not

They were grouping books together that were consecutive in their blood lines thinking and who wrote them Job just happened to be put where it is because it is it wasn’t put there for any other reason

The satan in job is the same satan as in revelation and the serpent in the garden

satan means adversary, to be am adversary to God means you are against him. Meaning the satan in job is the devil

So does it or does it not matter how you read the Bible

@Delerium

Your salvation suggestion depends on a different person, one cannot love someone who doesnt love you back

so sell that to someone else

we are all the same in the Spirit, your situation is not unique

I love my dogs, thats enough

Well a lot of people committing the sins you speak of are all just fine, and not suffering at all

So that doesnt make any sense

they seek the world, and so they have their rewards already. do not mistake the joy of sin for the love of Spirit

if sin wasn’t pleasurable, then there would be no need for laws against it

if the heart could be trusted, then Jesus would not tell us to reject our hearts

Nature created enjoyable substances, the human body was made for peasure

animals were made for pleasure. you are not an animal.

this is a test. it would be easy if you succeeded by doing what felt good. Suffering is a virtue, and the Spirit is its own reward.

you will find, once you reject your temptations, that the joy you feel from inside is as a stone that does not move despite how the winds blow. the joy from sin is a straw house that blows away, leaving you in your fear of death. you know this

so many never try, and so they never know. i do not fear the reaper, that is true happiness. i know this is not the end

I understand what you're saying but I don't believe in god, at least not in the bible sense

@Bibleman We are veted here. That is not acting against us. Adversary is an job description meaning someone who test us. Vets us to see are we truly close to God or just making out like we are close to God.

I do not see the adversary in the Old Testament the same as Satan in the New Testament or Enoch.

I’ll just straight out say I’m not close to god

It is the same adversary

Job passed the test. God gave him it all back and more. Had this not happened Job would have had less in the end.

I didn’t finish the chapter, did he really get everything back

The Satan in the New Testament fights against us for his own exoneration.

I was the same, until I dabbled in sorcery seeking pleasure and saw into the spiritual world, and realized there was a hidden world behind the world. Then I sought to go the opposite and instead of enticing me with sin, they began their attacks. You may not believe in God, but there is a hidden society behind closed doors that knows what I know and so they oppress me. They want you being an atheist, so that you become a good slave.

Don’t mind that if it pays well

I totally agree with that.

When we do something like that there is a price to pay. Getting out of it is no easy task.

what does it profit a man to gain the world for a decade and lose his soul for all eternity?

Dunno what hells like so why not

like a nightmare that never ends

I had a dream about hell once

Our graphic depiction is from Dante IIRC