Message from @Morning Dew
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if the heart could be trusted, then Jesus would not tell us to reject our hearts
Nature created enjoyable substances, the human body was made for peasure
animals were made for pleasure. you are not an animal.
this is a test. it would be easy if you succeeded by doing what felt good. Suffering is a virtue, and the Spirit is its own reward.
you will find, once you reject your temptations, that the joy you feel from inside is as a stone that does not move despite how the winds blow. the joy from sin is a straw house that blows away, leaving you in your fear of death. you know this
so many never try, and so they never know. i do not fear the reaper, that is true happiness. i know this is not the end
I understand what you're saying but I don't believe in god, at least not in the bible sense
@Bibleman We are veted here. That is not acting against us. Adversary is an job description meaning someone who test us. Vets us to see are we truly close to God or just making out like we are close to God.
I do not see the adversary in the Old Testament the same as Satan in the New Testament or Enoch.
I’ll just straight out say I’m not close to god
It is the same adversary
Job passed the test. God gave him it all back and more. Had this not happened Job would have had less in the end.
I didn’t finish the chapter, did he really get everything back
The Satan in the New Testament fights against us for his own exoneration.
I was the same, until I dabbled in sorcery seeking pleasure and saw into the spiritual world, and realized there was a hidden world behind the world. Then I sought to go the opposite and instead of enticing me with sin, they began their attacks. You may not believe in God, but there is a hidden society behind closed doors that knows what I know and so they oppress me. They want you being an atheist, so that you become a good slave.
Don’t mind that if it pays well
I totally agree with that.
When we do something like that there is a price to pay. Getting out of it is no easy task.
what does it profit a man to gain the world for a decade and lose his soul for all eternity?
Dunno what hells like so why not
I had a dream about hell once
Our graphic depiction is from Dante IIRC
Just for the rest of their life and perhaps three or more lifetimes. Eternity is not a punishment I can possibly believe in. No good loving God would do that as I see it.
did not feel like a dream
dreams are not random thoughts. they mean things, sometimes about the future, sometimes about yourself
demons tempt me in my dreams
Dreams can have meaning. Or they can just be dreams. When you are in the state of being tested they may all have meaning. I agree.
there is meaning in everything we see. we just don’t always grasp it. i do not believe in coincidence or randomness
you look for the pattern in nature, and you see it
So what do you do for god?
and nature notices that you see it, and reacts
They are riddles. Dark often. Meaning is often difficult to discern. Especially when being tested real hard.
I do all possible for God.
Steve, what about dreams that u can control? I used to lucid dream all the time
total control of the dream
I take care of my grandkids for my daughter and son in law living here so they can go on a vacation without the kids for example.
not enough, thats for sure. he tells me that i need to do more with guilt. for now, i read, and I take notes, and I preach on the internet. i still don’t have the courage to do it in public, but I’m working towards it
Guilt about what?
Most of the time I could control my dreams. So if one started I did not like, say cheating on my wife, I would change it so it was her I was showing love to.
every time i walk past someone and don’t say something. when you know the world is a test and everything matters and happens for a reason, you realize you lost an opportunity