Message from @wolfwood
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That would be my only rebuttal.
But it's a very good point
the delusion that different people groups can all live under the same laws is silly and frankly that's on us as the ruling class. It's our delusion.
Native americans can't handle alchohol and it should be criminal to sell it to them
@Perihelion - CA I totally agree with you on that. And as a side note, this is why I love discussions like this, it really challenges beliefs.
I'm all about learning something new.
@Perihelion - CA We should apply the same logic. These drug problems aren't the fault of whatever researcher designed the drug, they're the fault of the people who market them to poor rural people who don't know better and think it'll solve their problems.
I agree
I know there's the counter argument of "they were dumb for taking the prescription bla bla bla", but I think most people have an expectation that they can trust medical professionals
It's not like most of us would know better if a doctor told us to do something
Yeah that's my point, doctor isn't telling you to drink. A doctor would sooner tell you not to drink.
You're supposed to be able to trust doctors.
ya not gonna lie, a doctor tells me to do something I'll probably do it without thinking
I think more generally don't give addicted substances to people who can't handle them
I would say a fraction of the blame does lie on the shoulders of the addicted, but I would place the majority of the responsibility solely at the feet of the medical professionals who are supposed to have our best interests, and not their pocketbooks, at heart.
to be honest, with some of these people, I don't know if *any* of the blame is on them
We pay doctors for an expected standard of expertise in solving our medical problems. Deferring to an "expert" is commonplace because very few can be good at everything. Problem is when everything is profit-motivated, including the treatments, and doctors get wined-and-dined by pharma companies, we don't get unbiased solutions.
I'm sure that's the case, especially regarding the elderly.
if you're some poor old rural dude who doesn't even know how the internet works, what exactly are you expected to know?
now add to that that you have chronic pain and just wanna get it over with
We get the solution that is most profitable for the companies, but can have side effects that are an accepted risk to *them*
Add to the commoditization of healthcare, such that few have a more personal relationship with their doctor...
@Jacob absolutely right
A doctor who is also a good friend you'd invite to social functions would not prescribe something likely to harm you long term. A doctor from a foreign culture who came here because they can make big bucks is different...
@wolfwood and oh my gosh half* the doctors are of foreign birth now
*Not literally, but it seems like that sometimes
I think the pharma execs who deliberatly marketed opiods to the vulnerable, and lobbied medical profession to change standards to proscribe more opiods should be dealt with as traitors
Back in CA I had to go out of my way to find a general doc who was white, and even then she was still an immigrant, with a heavy (but nice) accent.
all their familial wealth should be confiscated, company nationalized etc
@wolfwood That's something a lot of Americans don't realize, that these people who come here from foreign cultures to make money do *not* care about you
medical profession delibarely keeps medical school positions limited while importing foreign doctors
Literally no one comes here for "muh freedoms" or whatever civnats claim
also discriminates against whites
I grew up around immigrants and you guys have no idea how many times people have blatantly said that they don't actually care about America and they're just here to take what they can
Also, side not, I absolutely cannot stand heavy accents
America means white settlers
so obviously non whites don't care about that
I don't like accents in general but heavy ones are the worst
@wolfwood consider this.
Do you think it would be in affective strategy to "END Immigration" by appealing to the fact that when we take in the third worlds few and far between "higher educated people" we cheat that country out of further development by gobbling up it's higher IQ, and more effective people?
It would have the same effect no matter how we frame the argument
brain drain is a very good argument
we should throw all the narratives out there and see what sticks
It's essentially the perfect storm from start to finish to harm white people. The drug companies are motivated to make addictive treatments (not cures), the doctors are motivated to prescribe the treatments that make them the most kickback benefits from pharma companies (and return patient visits?), and a society that *cannot* admit white people are a group deserving of compassion and help.