Message from @Perihelion - CA

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2019-02-28 16:55:27 UTC  

Yes, that is selecting the electors

2019-02-28 16:55:39 UTC  

Which is constitutional

2019-02-28 16:55:56 UTC  

Right and the electors will vote 99% of the time as instructed

2019-02-28 16:56:14 UTC  

Telling them HOW to vote, disregarding the electorate for who they represent, is not Constitutional

2019-02-28 16:56:42 UTC  

That is voting according to their OWN states’ electorate

2019-02-28 16:57:09 UTC  

The electoral college doesnt represent the electorate

2019-02-28 16:57:13 UTC  

It just is whatver the legislature decides

2019-02-28 16:57:30 UTC  

Which for almost all states is selected by state popular vote

2019-02-28 16:57:33 UTC  

Yes they do. They vote according to their states electorate

2019-02-28 16:58:01 UTC  

No they are not compelled to follow any popular vote

2019-02-28 16:58:10 UTC  

See gore vs bush

2019-02-28 16:58:13 UTC  

Yes. Popular vote in Texas determines who the electoral members of Texas vote

2019-02-28 16:58:26 UTC  

Thats how texas legislature decided it

2019-02-28 16:58:34 UTC  

Its not a constitutional matter

2019-02-28 16:58:53 UTC  

Popular vote in Florida determines who the electoral members of Florida vote

2019-02-28 16:59:09 UTC  

Nope

2019-02-28 16:59:14 UTC  

Gore vs Bush

2019-02-28 16:59:28 UTC  

Legislature just overruled popular vote

2019-02-28 16:59:31 UTC  

Same as in every state, though some have eased that to allow them to vote individually based on which district they represent

2019-02-28 16:59:57 UTC  

But they are STILL voting according to the people they represent

2019-02-28 17:00:25 UTC  

you're describing the convention but that's not in the Constitution itself

2019-02-28 17:00:46 UTC  

The state legislature gets to select Electoral College in any way it wishes it just so happens that most States dictate that the selection is tied to the vote

2019-02-28 17:00:56 UTC  

New CO law is telling them to completely disregard the entire state of CO, and vote according to how the rest of the country votes

2019-02-28 17:01:29 UTC  

A popular vote is not required by the Constitution so ignoring it is not unconstitutional

2019-02-28 17:02:30 UTC  

Look up the gore vs Bush case

2019-02-28 17:02:35 UTC  

It’s not, but the point is the Constitution doesn’t grant the states the right to determine HOW the electoral members vote. It grants them the power to appoint them.

2019-02-28 17:03:45 UTC  

How they so far have gotten around that is they wait until the election has been performed, THEN appoint the electoral members. Already knowing how those people will cast their vote.

2019-02-28 17:04:32 UTC  

You're right they can't tell them how to vote but just by selecting them they can 99% guarantee how they vote

2019-02-28 17:04:40 UTC  

That is different from telling them how to vote

2019-02-28 17:04:54 UTC  

they can instruct them to do whatever they want. They can't compel them to do what you want. But it's not against the law to instruct them

2019-02-28 17:05:26 UTC  

And this law is compelling them.

2019-02-28 17:05:50 UTC  

Against the will of the people they represent

2019-02-28 17:06:29 UTC  

I doubt it. We don't have the actual text the law but I'm sure what they did is simply make it so that the Electoral Representatives are assigned to the party of the person who wins the national votes

2019-02-28 17:08:35 UTC  

@Mojave Paisan - NV It's constitutional to circumvent the electoral college?

2019-02-28 17:09:57 UTC  

Maine is considering a similar law.

2019-02-28 17:12:05 UTC  

You cant get around electoral college persay but you can in theory rig it so that it votes in line with national vote by changing how electoral reps are selected

2019-02-28 17:14:09 UTC  

Talmudry levels that shouldnt even be possible

2019-02-28 17:16:28 UTC  

The WTO doing anything about China is extremely heartening.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/550728004708466708/Screenshot_20190228-101453_Samsung_Internet.jpg

2019-02-28 17:16:34 UTC  

Yes, that’s how they get around it currently. I seriously do believe it won’t survive a Constitutional test before SCOTUS, because it really is telling them to vote according to the vote of people they don’t even represent

2019-02-28 17:16:50 UTC  

Good mornfternoon

2019-02-28 17:17:02 UTC  

The whole state electoral college reps being decided by state popular vote is already a run around the original intent of the constitution.