butyeah we can agree on the sticks at least

why is it inaccessible

@raspberry ^

@Alexandre like, cavendish is the main one

so, we're supposed to be able to see two iron balls attract

except then nope...gravity's too weak, you have to do it in a restricted setting in a university or govt lab

What about foccault's pendulum

The Earth is not round or flat, it's a cube

@GreenPixel it's an interesting approach but funnily enough i've heard the same thing about that

from globe earthers at least, that it's too small and sensitive to friction to carry out

i feel like things along these lines are worth testing though

Its definitely hard to achieve on one's own, but it is much more publicly accessible and visible that cavendish I think

There are several large ones around the world that are open to visitors

Although there's always the motor argument

it does feel more approachable. for looking for/disproving the earth's rotation i feel like something similar could work

for the public ones that you can't mess with yourself, yeah, i think it's hard to avoid that those could be rigged

@Mone FAKE. Trump did not work with Russia at all. Hillary and Obama did both are Communist so that makes complete sense.

Trump is a Nationalist. Not a Socialist like NAZI is. Obama and Hillary are NAZI's as well. They support Antifa the same group of NAZI's in Germany by the same name translated to English. They lie they are anti fascist when in reality they are the fascist in America.

Wtf

lol

does anyone know why i cant send messages in creation-vs-evolution anymore?

@Citizen Z so? Do you have values that work with your model? Or are you just going to dismiss it?
Do you even know what refraction is? Or are you just throwing buzzwords around?

Whats your values

@Steve Angell nope,National Socialism may have socialism in the name,but when itler and his bois founded it,they put Soialism to go uncercover,Trump did work with Russia because how do yu explain his rasizm,Haaa?.Also Obama is a woman -_-,stop being transpohbic.more proof trump worked with russia

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Did you not watch the video?

the video has all the values

but these values don't matter because you're going to call them fake. what's important are the values you will find by doing the experiment. but even then, if you bother to actually do the experiment, you're probably going to either claim that it's a magic trick and that the experiment is fixed or you're going to dismiss it because it's against your malfunctioning model.

So you believe a video?

typical FE
FE: *show me video*
Me: *shows video*
FE: lol you believe video?

Oh an btw one of those measurements is mine, so yeah I do believe the video

But again, not relevant, you're just gonna claim it's fake, so do it yourself. Or is it just easier to claim it's fake and spread your lies?

@Deleted User again:

> You have an idea: there are vacuum fields that permeate empty space and are responsible for the forces we observe.

You also see that this would cause something, in this case that would be a force due to something called vacuum energy that arises from the sum of the ground-state energies for every quantum field that can be modeled as a quantum harmonic oscillator. The theory predicts that due to fluctuations in said fields there will arise a physical force.

Now, based off this theory and the assumptions it makes you can create an experiment to verify it's prediction, an experiment that would only work if this specific theory was true. That was the casimir effect.

The mutual attraction between two uncharged closely spaced parallel plane mirrors which was precisely made by hypothetically having some modes of the quantum field cut off. So that this would create some amount of force that we could mathematically predict via QED.

So again to reiterate, this experiment would only work if there were quantum modes of a quantum field and that this field did have a fluctuating energy level due to the heisenberg uncertainty principle. So if this experiment worked it would be proof of the original theory, since to work the original assumptions would have to be correct.

Now we do the experiment in the precise way that would only be allowed if QED were true and we get a force, the effect, that we can measure and show was exactly predicted by our theory.

@Human Sheeple the casimir effect only works because of the presumptions built into QED. The plates are a certain length away to cut off the certain modes of the quantum field. Like they needed this to be so accurate that they had to measure the distance between the plates explicitly. Second off, the mathematical prediction you can make via QFT is completely accurate with the measured force we observe in reality.
This is literally the simplest way to prove a theory. The theory made the prediction, completely explained the prediction, and when we tested to confirm the production (having to set up an experiment based off the very specifics of how our theory worked), we got a value exactly mirroring our calculations for this prediction.

It's like saying, I've got a fully functioning theory and equation for how this rock will move and predict that the rock will move a certain way. Then do the experiment with the rock and find it moves the exact way my theory predicted.
Now you're basically asking me to take your unproven hypothesis of what caused this with no mathematical equation to even predict or measure this with and then prove your hypothesis wasn't correct. @Deleted User

Again dude, you're saying prove aether isn't the cause

Your aether doesn't even have a mathematical description, no way to even predict how the experiment goes

In fact, the only math you've provided for it is this

cant talk in flatearth anymore...

I was going to say, how do you explain a sun set in a flat earth model

Too bad I guess.