I just showed up. why do we need to know something to be true?

I thought the prompt was about morality.

Hey @dogbref I joined late. How did this get to god? Isn't the prompt morality?

Neato

I am.

As far as I know. Atheist

Was there a follow up question Zino?

I'm on voice. Just not talking.

Yet.

click "Live yotube Feed" I'm a fan of PTT

push to talk

wow, so subjective.

I have a question for JP, to complete my understanding of his moral track.

Does anyone know what truth has to do with morality?

Help me out bud.

I'm not sure what a utilitarian dimension is.

Oh, yep.

No.

It seems axiomatic the moment that someone is immoral to you.

Why do we require trial and error over time>?

My morality isn't utilitarianism perspective.

What is an Orthodox perspective?

How is that different from "my aunt the Christian?"

so just different dogma

PM me bud.

thanks Bobby.

Primary goal in life is to be a porn hub category!

I believe it was Hart that said our rights come with duty. To walk around in a free society where you may make loads of money off of others labor, do you then have a duty to help those that may not be fit to contribute?

H.L.A. Hart.

So true, but capacity is an issue here.

JP, I would say that when speaking about humans, it is insulting to use business school terminology.

Humans must not be an ends, but a means in themselves right?

In my opinion human life is priceless. It does come with a type of coercion though. Our covid pandemic is a good example.

JP
"The Democrats want to take without giving anything up."

What's this mean?

I agree the obligation is to compensate you fairly. But what if you refuse?

Less dead people.

You getting a ton of notices Cap?

Doesn't matter in centre

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> so what’s everyone’s background here? We got the Christian computer programmer. The army brat/college undergrad. Who else?
@Ozymandias Don't attempt to define people. Ask them who they are.

That's a charitable perspective.

Zino. You are fine saying that. I'm saying that in general I find it distasteful to try to put people into nutshells.

Okay.

Yer a Walnut!

Same.

JP, It's not theft if you consent.

> If someone steals from you and your forgive them, it’s still theft. Forgiveness isn’t consent, it’s forgiveness
@JPMcGlone

But the original theft was theft, because you did not consent.

You agreed with me, oppositely.

I think you have a claim which requires some backing.

We elect our government.

Technically you could, yes.

Sorry. Gotta go

There is a good RBG documentary on hulu.

It's more about being last bud.

40 year old virgin quote?

@Yussuki ₪ I saw that news clip too. It's funny how that guy is a cult, but the rest of the blood worshippers across the world aren't. How can you tell? Campaign contributions?

I think a second amendment open mic is in order.

There is an interview out there. I think it was from Vice.

I just don't get why this is a cult, and Catholicism is a "religion."

Zino, I think that a lot of religious people are grasping at theological straws recently. We know that Adam and Eve didn't exist. We know that the Earth is pretty old, and we even know how it came about. We know that the universe is super old, and some great models of it's origins are out there.

One of the last few things the religious folks have is to claim that God must exist because morals exist.

Some people claim that...

I'm pissed that I didn't get any mustard.

Zino, it feels pretty circular.

I'm fine with your Number 2

Does God not exist because immorality exists? Or is immorality a necessary thing that comes from morality? Did God create morality? Did morality create God?

Those questions come immediately to mind.

You seem obsessed with the concept of truth.

not in a bad way. just noticing.

Why is truth important?

What is the difference between objective and subjective truth?

Let me put it this way.
If truth lead to everyone everywhere being immensely miserable forever, then no, you can keep your truth.

heads up, my attention is not fully on Disc

There is no answer to "how to be well."

Being well is an ongoing process.

I guess I don't really care about truth all that much.
We could be totally wrong about how making a pizza works. As long as I get a pizza I'm not going to be too upset.

If I don't have a good truth concept, how can I know that Christ has truth?

How do I know that without Truth?

What if I accept there is a way to truth but I find it in Satan?

It's circular bud. You called something truth, sought it, then claimed it as what you sought.

So If I find that Satan is the path to truth, and he tells me to murder puppies. You're saying that Christ told me to murder puppies?

And if I find truth as an atheist, I have actually found Christ?

Why is science limited?

I'm also going to say this again in case you missed it. Your reasoning is Circular!

Let me know if you have an issue with this definition.

Truth is that which corresponds with reality.

No you flipped it

JP.

things can be false. right?

this feels socratic

Correct. But I can say a false statement.

Then you don't need Jesus!

If I can know what is True, by comparison of what is False, then Christ is not needed.

And you can only make claims of Jesus!

It's just Socratic comparisons of opposites.

I also recognize that. And science is the process to discover what is either true, or has a strong likelihood of being true.

Or they find it. How can I know what a lie is, without knowing the truth?

Prove it with Jesus!

I'm just messing around now JP. I gotta focus on other stuff. Good luck with talking in circles bud.

Wait!

If I try to lie, but say something that is true, did I lie?

So truth is subjective?

> Yes, you deceived me about what it is you believe to be true.
@JPMcGlone

this states that truthiness is subjective.