Message from @Ozymandias

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2020-09-22 16:38:11 UTC  

Tax is not slavery if you argue that consenting citizens choose to participate at the social play.

2020-09-22 16:38:50 UTC  

Hey Dre and Mec

2020-09-22 16:39:16 UTC  

sup

2020-09-22 16:44:50 UTC  

so what’s everyone’s background here? We got the Christian computer programmer. The army brat/college undergrad. Who else?

2020-09-22 16:45:09 UTC  

IT/Atheist/Agnostic/Right-Libertarian

2020-09-22 16:45:14 UTC  

oh I’m the ivy leaguer/entrepreneur btw

2020-09-22 16:45:34 UTC  

Barely grad'd HS

2020-09-22 16:46:44 UTC  

wow

2020-09-22 16:47:53 UTC  

> @Ozymandias I Don’t understand what your position is. Yes we pay for people to get punished so what do you propose we do? Taxes is one of the mechanisms of which a state can function. Can you elaborate on your position?
@Edmqnd redefining what should be punished by imprisonment

2020-09-22 16:48:57 UTC  

you concede that mass incarceration is a big problem in the US right?

2020-09-22 16:50:47 UTC  

So what crimes would you specifically change the punishment to? And specifically what punishments?

2020-09-22 16:51:34 UTC  

And we would still be paying for prisons even if we reduced the number of prisoners so I don’t see how that explains you original point.

2020-09-22 16:53:28 UTC  

for heinous crimes you could implement chemical castration or capital punishment

2020-09-22 16:57:13 UTC  

Okey sure I don’t disagree. I am for the death penalty but I also acknowledge that the arguments against death penalty can be persuasive. Would you reduce the number of years a prisoner would have to face to avoid mass incarceration? That’s the philosophy behind why Sweden has very low prison sentences.

2020-09-22 16:57:42 UTC  

good question

2020-09-22 16:57:51 UTC  

excellent point

2020-09-22 16:58:53 UTC  

one simple measure is elimination of appeals especially when there is DNA evidence

2020-09-22 16:59:02 UTC  

for the death penalty application

2020-09-22 16:59:49 UTC  

the point is saving money in mass incarceration expenditure may lead to that money being used in social welfare programs or infrastructure

2020-09-22 17:03:48 UTC  

But the problem with that is the fact that Capital punishment costs more then giving someone life in prison. And that’s of course so that the government can’t go around executing people at the snap of their fingers. They need long processes and a large amount of money to do so and I believe that’s justified. So I don’t believe that it will be cheaper and save money for other essential things.

2020-09-22 17:05:00 UTC  

how is it more expensive?

2020-09-22 17:05:13 UTC  

The fact is that it is. Not how it is

2020-09-22 17:05:30 UTC  

I’d love to talk about this on chat but I’m busy rn

2020-09-22 17:05:36 UTC  

Maybe later tonight?

2020-09-22 17:06:11 UTC  

China loves executing people

2020-09-22 17:06:22 UTC  

I’m pro-China in that respect

2020-09-22 17:06:54 UTC  

That is factually inacurate: "China loves executing people"

2020-09-22 17:08:43 UTC  

It can relate to human executions from an utilitarian perspective at most.

2020-09-22 17:09:13 UTC  

I just told you why/how It’s more expensive. So that the government can’t go around executing prisoners at the snap of their fingers. And it takes processes, long and expensive processes. So it is more expensive so the claim that capital punishment gives us more money for other things is false. And so what if China executes alot of people? That doesn’t do much to the conversation about mass incarceration in the USA. And my question about reducing prison sentences still hasn’t been answered. I’m sorry if I come of as aggressive in any kind of way, because I’m not. Do you see the point?

2020-09-22 17:43:44 UTC  

> so what’s everyone’s background here? We got the Christian computer programmer. The army brat/college undergrad. Who else?
@Ozymandias Don't attempt to define people. Ask them who they are.

2020-09-22 17:44:17 UTC  

I would say who someone is is irrelevant - only their arguments. 🙂

2020-09-22 17:44:29 UTC  

It's okay for @Ozymandias to ask that.

2020-09-22 17:45:02 UTC  

They are just trying to make friends from my perspective.

2020-09-22 17:45:15 UTC  

That's a charitable perspective.

2020-09-22 17:45:39 UTC  

I am Christian Orthodox. I'm a doctor.

2020-09-22 17:45:47 UTC  

But if someone wants to ask and people want to answer - great 👍

2020-09-22 17:46:35 UTC  

I'm an atheist nihilistic absurdist. I am disabled and work for Trav.

2020-09-22 17:46:52 UTC  

Zino. You are fine saying that. I'm saying that in general I find it distasteful to try to put people into nutshells.

2020-09-22 17:47:13 UTC  

Yes, but it can be useful sometime, Mala.

2020-09-22 17:47:27 UTC  

Okay.

2020-09-22 17:47:46 UTC  

I dont mind being put into a nutshel.