They can if they want, and sometimes they’ll have to... we just don’t force them, especially in a way that relieves the mistake maker of all of the responsibility

Maybe you guys respond

Everyone wants total forgiveness

Imagine forcing me to pay for your murder

That would be nuts, but we do that all the time in smaller ways

well your tax money goes to support prisons

I am forced to pay for people’s bad drug habits, bad sexual habits etc

Yes and at least a prisoner is also paying

I’m paying for their separation from society

They’re paying for their crime with imprisonment

but you’re forced to pay it’s not optional

that’s what I’m getting at

tax money is also used to fund wars

pointless ones sometimes

Tax is slavery, let’s cut to the chase. 😂

lmao

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@Ozymandias I Don’t understand what your position is. Yes we pay for people to get punished so what do you propose we do? Taxes is one of the mechanisms of which a state can function. Can you elaborate on your position?

Tax is not slavery if you argue that consenting citizens choose to participate at the social play.

Hey Dre and Mec

sup

so what’s everyone’s background here? We got the Christian computer programmer. The army brat/college undergrad. Who else?

IT/Atheist/Agnostic/Right-Libertarian

oh I’m the ivy leaguer/entrepreneur btw

Barely grad'd HS

wow

> @Ozymandias I Don’t understand what your position is. Yes we pay for people to get punished so what do you propose we do? Taxes is one of the mechanisms of which a state can function. Can you elaborate on your position?
@Edmqnd redefining what should be punished by imprisonment

you concede that mass incarceration is a big problem in the US right?

So what crimes would you specifically change the punishment to? And specifically what punishments?

And we would still be paying for prisons even if we reduced the number of prisoners so I don’t see how that explains you original point.

for heinous crimes you could implement chemical castration or capital punishment

Okey sure I don’t disagree. I am for the death penalty but I also acknowledge that the arguments against death penalty can be persuasive. Would you reduce the number of years a prisoner would have to face to avoid mass incarceration? That’s the philosophy behind why Sweden has very low prison sentences.

good question

excellent point

one simple measure is elimination of appeals especially when there is DNA evidence

for the death penalty application

the point is saving money in mass incarceration expenditure may lead to that money being used in social welfare programs or infrastructure

But the problem with that is the fact that Capital punishment costs more then giving someone life in prison. And that’s of course so that the government can’t go around executing people at the snap of their fingers. They need long processes and a large amount of money to do so and I believe that’s justified. So I don’t believe that it will be cheaper and save money for other essential things.

how is it more expensive?

The fact is that it is. Not how it is

I’d love to talk about this on chat but I’m busy rn