Message from @Ozymandias

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2020-09-21 20:37:47 UTC  

The so-called "successful individuals" like entrepreneurs, doctors, lawyers, engineers produce and grow their wealth within and FOR society, not on Mars.

2020-09-21 20:39:31 UTC  

If the Government doesn't oblige the Megarich to comply with the rules and pay taxes, he will squander his profits on luxury and society won't profit at all. This is wy is moral for him to pay taxes.

2020-09-21 20:40:38 UTC  

And it's a bad idea to have rich people in policymaking. Their will act in self interest, while professional politicians are accountable to their electors.

2020-09-21 20:42:49 UTC  

Every Authoritarian regime in the world has been lead by Megarich. While the successful ones like Ireland and Scandinavia have always been lead by professional community-based accountable politicians

2020-09-21 20:56:58 UTC  

Sorry Zino - caught up in some work

2020-09-22 02:12:11 UTC  

My school is consuming my life, wish I could talk more

2020-09-22 02:13:25 UTC  

> My school is consuming my life, wish I could talk more
@Zurich04 we are gonna be having town halls on the weekends so maybe you can join for a bit. :)

2020-09-22 02:13:44 UTC  

Awesome, I’ll plan on it

2020-09-22 11:41:39 UTC  

> Every Authoritarian regime in the world has been lead by Megarich. While the successful ones like Ireland and Scandinavia have always been lead by professional community-based accountable politicians
@Yussuki ₪ no, it has been led by taxes

2020-09-22 11:44:41 UTC  

Ok..but taxes need to be thought of and imposed by some Entity to serve a goal, right? 😛

2020-09-22 11:44:50 UTC  

here’s a question: how do you overcome moral relativistic counterarguments?

2020-09-22 11:45:30 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ high taxes and social reforms are hardly an innovation

2020-09-22 11:45:35 UTC  

By arguing that objectivity doest not exist, since it is a mater of frame of reference ? is it ok ?

2020-09-22 11:46:04 UTC  

the point is the people pay for those programs...if no one pays those high taxes then those programs fail

2020-09-22 11:46:38 UTC  

> By arguing that objectivity doest not exist, since it is a mater of frame of reference ? is it ok ?
@Yussuki ₪ I meant the opposite lol

2020-09-22 11:46:39 UTC  

Yes I agree 🥳

2020-09-22 11:46:55 UTC  

like someone saying well that is what YOU think

2020-09-22 11:47:14 UTC  

Oh I believe that is actually easier to debunk 😄

2020-09-22 11:47:22 UTC  

I went on a date (kinda) and we talked about Warren Buffet

2020-09-22 11:47:38 UTC  

and how he hardly spends his billions

2020-09-22 11:48:05 UTC  

I said if I were in his position I would dedicate my time left to doing good

2020-09-22 11:48:07 UTC  

I would ask that person the following: Than tell me with is the minimum common ground you are prepared to accept and lets discuss on that 🙂

2020-09-22 11:48:15 UTC  

Interesting

2020-09-22 11:48:34 UTC  

he, on the other hand, is obsessed with work. THAT is his happiness

2020-09-22 11:49:37 UTC  

I said that’s a rather pointless existence (Camus’ existentialist positions aside lol)

2020-09-22 11:50:19 UTC  

That is worth debating. Wow.

2020-09-22 11:50:51 UTC  

Supposedly he plans to donate like 40 billion to the Gates foundation

2020-09-22 11:51:17 UTC  

the generalization is wealth accumulation and the point of that

2020-09-22 11:51:39 UTC  

There’s a real estate Mogul with a garage of cars worth $30,000,000

2020-09-22 11:51:51 UTC  

I’m like...ok?

2020-09-22 11:52:24 UTC  

enter arguments of materialism, psychological egoism etc

2020-09-22 11:53:11 UTC  

You could argue for wealth accumumlation and ego also . You could argue both ways, but it depends on which argument you like more and accept 🙂

2020-09-22 11:53:54 UTC  

Is hard to argue in such way NOT TO turn your partner into an enemy..

2020-09-22 11:54:06 UTC  

I guess what I mean is...is there a point to owning 30,000,000 worth of cars?

2020-09-22 11:54:37 UTC  

when the same wealth could have been used to help people and animals in dire need? 🤷🏻‍♂️

2020-09-22 11:55:09 UTC  

excuse my idealism but I am partial to Plato lol

2020-09-22 11:56:46 UTC  

the effect on the masses is to want the same thing...they focus on money and accumulation of wealth and then wonder why their lives lack fulfillment

2020-09-22 11:58:01 UTC  

I was just on YouTube. Saw an ad for a documentary called Betting on Zero where a billionaire tries to short HerbalLife stock in order to expose that it’s a pyramid scheme that preys on the working class and savings

2020-09-22 11:59:24 UTC  

I had a friend do some type of MLM...it’s amazing how much in denial he was in despite the fact that he lost money and never made any money

2020-09-22 12:00:39 UTC  

> Is hard to argue in such way NOT TO turn your partner into an enemy..
@Yussuki ₪ I embrace disagreement since it leads to an opportunity to reconcile differences and reach a more generalizable view

2020-09-22 12:42:11 UTC  

I perfectly agree 🥨