Ahh

Also I thought this was my dm with Michaela lmaoo

Haha!

@kaizen I know you did, I thought it was funny

😭

BAHAHAHAHAH I'M DEAD

If you guys want to add something to the care package for @brucebruce let me know!!

@everyone I was DM'ing with what I believe to be one of the greatest thinkers in human history tonight and I thought it would be fun to share the beginning of our conversation. I would like to hear your responses.

Try to give a thorough response, instead of seeking a back and forth discourse. Imagine this is all the info you get.

Who was him? There is no physical law for replication it just happens.

I think it’s a great question for sure. The thought raised to me most quickly is what exactly does self serving mean. If this is all I get then I’d have to say that self service is not all the drives people. Not even close. And people act against their personal self interest all the time. But I’m sure you’d address this in a larger context/we’re operating under different definitions.

The Analogy with magnetism which that guy made is very appropriate. This is because as in magnetism, "the physical law that drives a cell to self replicate" operates under Hysteresis, and not via conventional cause and effect. His intuition is good. In what is to follow, I will tell you something that cannot be disproven scientifically. And that is: As soon as the zygote is formed, we witness how a billion years programme is unfolding with mathematical precision following the same stages over and over. We don't have any bio-chemical or physical evidence that these process are being regulated by material adjustment. Therefore the only conclusion we have left is that there are some structuring fields that somehow regulate those processes. As mitosis (cell division) progresses, we notice a symmetry being broken as far as the human embryo evolution goes. Around day 9, the symmetry is broken and the blastocyst emerges. The mystery is *how and why does the blastocyst get polarized* ? Nobody in the world is at this point capable to explain this phenomena through standard scientific / materialistic perspective and be coherent while it attempts to do so. We can only observe how the majority of the cells run to a pole, while the remaining cells form the trophoblast (a membrane) which will become the future placenta. So again, the analogy with magnetism is valid. The mystery only deepens. Maybe I'll do a follow up.

When considering a "physical law of replication", its imperative that you have "masses" that interact with each other. Structuring fields do not have masses. The "law" should describe precisely how these masses need to interact in order exceed the minimum threshold for the phenomenon to occur. A "law" which do not involve masses is *something else.* And here i need to point out that when using the concept of "law" when relating to "imaginary masses" as when the mass has been obtained through the conversion of energies into mass (like old E=mc2 teaches us - although this is a particular case and often wrongly understood and illustrated), we need to be careful not to forget our initial "differentia specifica" when defining terms. We can agree to use the word "law" to help us explain two different sets of phenomena. This is only one (i believe useful) perspective. There are many more that look at "physical laws". It may not apply to all processes and phenomena, but is well suited to help us understand convoluted phenomena in a liniar way of thinking. ALTHOUGH : Nature doesn't build in lines and doesn't solve its own equations. .... Too much to talk bout it 🥳

One thing I'm certain of. If the person who wrote the messages would discover the underlying "mechanism" beneath cell replication, he would discover what life really is. And I'm willing to bet my life that his discovery would not be a "Law" in the traditional sense, nor will it be "physical". It would be something that I fail to grasp in words, rather only try to imagine. And yes, Nobel prizes, World recognition and Intellectual Revolution will follow soon after. It would be of such impact that it will flip over the way we relate to the Uni-Multi-Pluri Verse ^_^ The question only adds to the remaining mysteries of chirality and baryonic matter.

To answer those questions to the best of my ability: "What is selecting and driving the activity? Which is the first selection and gas paddle?" I would say: "It's a non deterministic and non - physical happening, for sure!" (I wouldn't use "mechanism" precisely because it induces a deterministic / materialistic mindview to the reader, so I used "happening" for the lack of a better term). Heidegger's "Dasein" would be better i guess.

Loving your insight @Yussuki ₪

I'm intrigued by the conversation. Also by the mystery of who this greatest thinker is!

GIGO - False premises, non-sequiturs, even if there are some loosely related interesting issues.

Totally

> @everyone I was DM'ing with what I believe to be one of the greatest thinkers in human history tonight and I thought it would be fun to share the beginning of our conversation. I would like to hear your responses.
@ThePangburn

I think you are Mixing up dimensions here... You are projecting a observation of a complex system were youre statement might applied. And taking this conclusion and projecting to physics and taking it even on step further and making it a fundamental law.
Do not take me wrong, I do not say it is false but in my opinion you are mixing up rules of complex systems and applying terms like pleasure to forces and laws which are more abstract and in the realm of description. In other words you are projecting your complex human experience onto the shallow comprehension of the physics we now at this moment..

Anyway I am very excited about this thought experiment.

I do hope you bend this discord server to more of these thought science philosophy based thoughts.

I grew sick and tired of al these political discussions.

In my opinion there were shallow.
Edgy maybe deliberately probably, to attract discord but the mean reason you ads commercial YouTube was retracted.

Way more potential useful thoughts then political shit.

@MerlinCrow I disagree with you Sir and here is why:

1. ---> Even if you "project an observation of a complex system where your statement might apply", that doesn't mean that the conclusions of such projection are erroneous. In fact, there is more evidence to the contrary.
2. ---> Mixing rules of complex systems and applying terms like pleasure to forces and laws" is very useful when trying to assign meaning to random data, thus transforming it into meaningful information you can act upon. It is a phisical phenomenon that teaches the "young scientist" not to touch the stove. Even inferring that the "rules of complex systems" cannot work in other "less complex systems" is a fallacy, since you can always fabricate a less complex system while maintaining at least 1 rule from it's parent (more complex system). In fact, it can be proven that the more complex a system is --> the more rules it has. Therefore, the probability that more of those rules can be applied to infinitely "less complex systems" grows infinitely big.
3. ---> "Projecting your complex human experience onto the shallow comprehension of the physics at this moment" ---> is actually the ONLY fundamental way of how humans "uncovered" every "Fundamental Law" we know so far. Newton did it at "his moment", Einstein did it at "his moment", Maxwell, Faraday and so on. It is precisely that through projecting our human complex experience that we transgressed our physical limitations.
4. ---> As for POLITICS, I would argue that it's crucial in helping or hindering our efforts in working with Fundamental Laws and carving a better future.
5. --- > As for monetization and money, I wouldn't lose any precious time in commenting a non-issue which I consider trivial. I'm grateful I am able to exchange ideas in good-faith with people of different backgrounds 😛 I foresee a great expansion of this Community under mr Pagburn ^_^ It's useful for me especially because i can improve my rudimentary English...

@Yussuki ₪ Read better how I state my opinion. I use phrases like "I Think" very deliberate. I even state that the thought experiment might even has merit. Pangburn simply asks to reply on the short text in bleu and is very deliberately asking to respond on that text as if that is all the information I got. And that is exactly what I am doing. The difference between you and me is that you are quite sure about a lot of things I can see that how your state your points. I think doubt and try to understand.

@MerlinCrow I would discuss ideas rather than people when possible 🤗 I still disagree with your point of view as expressed above 😛 I find your subtle irony regarding my person quite funny 🥳 I won't engage in that discussion since it's off topic and unfruitful. Have a 🍕 my friend 🍟 I strongly believe that there are more things that unite us rather than setting us apart 🌍

@everyone thoughts on consensual euthanasia?

It should be legal.

Alright

At what point would it be acceptable for someone to opt for euthanasia

@m.miller

@kaizen any time ever. Consenting adults should be able to do what they want.

The only limiter I can think of is when someone is generally healthy and owes me a lot of money. 🤔 (other such situations where something is on-goingly dependent on them,there is a commitment that they will come through, and the well being of others is dependent on them)

What constitutes consent by the guest of honor in snuff?

That does not compute.

Why?

@StoneCold316 I think there should be some requirements that people have to make sure they pass to euthanize

What requirements?

How do we avoid prejudices of nutcase shrinks, or about ritual sex killing, when cleaning religious garbage from the DSM is still a problem?

Does the idea of collecting all 7 DSM releases (-iii & -IV had tr updates) to research political, religious, and other bias, that arguably amounts to medical malpractice, scare off everyone else here? (Yes, every edition is in my personal library.)

@everyone First MAN HEALTH Highlight video is up - The Streets of Edmonton -Black Lives Matter, Circumcision, Depression & more - https://youtu.be/5V0nUU4qIyo

Good video!

Thanks man! @StoneCold316