but it's not incredibly valid seeing as there's no way for it to have an objective basis

You can still have an objective goal as an atheist. Mine being to live a good life and be a good person

a goal sure

just not an objective moral standard

and in this case a "good" life and being a "good" person are just based off of how you interpret good

I understand what you mean when you say there is no standard to compare to

In my case the standard is just stay in school, don’t do drugs, and get a job

That's a rather common set of goals

but it's hard to stick to unless you have a very string will

You can be a moral atheist

But an atheist cannot use atheistic reasoning for morality

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a world with no religion, so basically mass degeneracy and trannyism, potentially a lack of societal and technological progress and falling into a downward spiral where the lifespan stops at 20 because people are nihilists and see who can cut themselves the deepest the fastst to be edgy

That ain't true nihilism, Nihilism seeks to replace religion with culture and the arts as a framework of morality.

I'm a religious man myself, I'm not an edgy atheist teen but Nihilism can make sense if you dont believe in a God as a moral compass.

Even Nietzsche saw the value of religious order despite his distaste of it.

I won’t lie when I say a lot of religion definitely promotes good values and gives people a sense of hope and community

I just have a distaste’s for cults that attempt to control every aspect of people’s lives

Ones like Jehovah’s witnesses

free will does not exist

@el pebble how do you know that?

@Bogatyr Bogumir There might is a god, but so far, no religion is convincing enough for me to believe in some specific god.

I used to be an Orthodox Christian.

And there are also many moral atheists.

This is a very retarded stereotype. If you're an athesi you will either be gay or degenerate.

Not true.

The problem with atheism is the lack of morals. Atheistic thinking doesn't allow for absolute rights and wrongs. Thus atheism often leads to faggotry and degeneracy. Although all atheist aren't faggots or degenerates, mainly because of religious cultural influence, virtually all faggots and degenerates are atheists.

From a purely atheistic perspective, there is no way of reasoning why killing and eating your mother is wrong, because you will get nutrients and whatnot. Morality is inherently religious, even if you don't consciously believe in God.

Two can not walk together unless they have first agreed to meet.

@Obungus Atheists can live a moral life

no

if morals don't really exist then you can not possibly live by them

It's pretty easy to think off 2 lists with actions that are moral and not

Based on those lists we can assign morals

but if good and evil don't exist then it's all subjective

so you can live by your own standards

but it can't be defined as morality

Education gives most people, at least atheists an idea of what's good and bad

So based off that you could say that atheists can still believe in good and evil but reject the idea of god

but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.

@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good