Message from @marin e. delacroix ☥

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2018-12-11 21:37:06 UTC  

but it's not incredibly valid seeing as there's no way for it to have an objective basis

2018-12-11 21:37:43 UTC  

You can still have an objective goal as an atheist. Mine being to live a good life and be a good person

2018-12-11 21:38:37 UTC  

a goal sure

2018-12-11 21:38:48 UTC  

just not an objective moral standard

2018-12-11 21:39:16 UTC  

and in this case a "good" life and being a "good" person are just based off of how you interpret good

2018-12-11 21:40:08 UTC  

I understand what you mean when you say there is no standard to compare to

2018-12-11 21:40:34 UTC  

In my case the standard is just stay in school, don’t do drugs, and get a job

2018-12-11 21:41:16 UTC  

That's a rather common set of goals

2018-12-11 21:41:31 UTC  

but it's hard to stick to unless you have a very string will

2018-12-11 22:48:54 UTC  

You can be a moral atheist

2018-12-11 22:49:16 UTC  

But an atheist cannot use atheistic reasoning for morality

2018-12-11 22:57:49 UTC  

^

2018-12-12 00:47:58 UTC  

a world with no religion, so basically mass degeneracy and trannyism, potentially a lack of societal and technological progress and falling into a downward spiral where the lifespan stops at 20 because people are nihilists and see who can cut themselves the deepest the fastst to be edgy

2018-12-12 00:54:39 UTC  

That ain't true nihilism, Nihilism seeks to replace religion with culture and the arts as a framework of morality.

2018-12-12 00:55:38 UTC  

I'm a religious man myself, I'm not an edgy atheist teen but Nihilism can make sense if you dont believe in a God as a moral compass.

2018-12-12 00:56:17 UTC  

Even Nietzsche saw the value of religious order despite his distaste of it.

2018-12-12 01:02:19 UTC  

I won’t lie when I say a lot of religion definitely promotes good values and gives people a sense of hope and community

2018-12-12 01:02:41 UTC  

I just have a distaste’s for cults that attempt to control every aspect of people’s lives

2018-12-12 01:02:52 UTC  

Ones like Jehovah’s witnesses

2018-12-12 03:14:42 UTC  

free will does not exist

2018-12-12 06:08:00 UTC  

@el pebble how do you know that?

2018-12-12 06:19:05 UTC  

@Bogatyr Bogumir There might is a god, but so far, no religion is convincing enough for me to believe in some specific god.

2018-12-12 06:20:20 UTC  

I used to be an Orthodox Christian.

2018-12-12 06:22:40 UTC  

And there are also many moral atheists.

2018-12-12 06:23:15 UTC  

This is a very retarded stereotype. If you're an athesi you will either be gay or degenerate.

2018-12-12 06:23:22 UTC  

Not true.

2018-12-12 09:39:03 UTC  

The problem with atheism is the lack of morals. Atheistic thinking doesn't allow for absolute rights and wrongs. Thus atheism often leads to faggotry and degeneracy. Although all atheist aren't faggots or degenerates, mainly because of religious cultural influence, virtually all faggots and degenerates are atheists.

2018-12-12 09:41:33 UTC  

From a purely atheistic perspective, there is no way of reasoning why killing and eating your mother is wrong, because you will get nutrients and whatnot. Morality is inherently religious, even if you don't consciously believe in God.

2018-12-12 13:14:07 UTC  

Two can not walk together unless they have first agreed to meet.

2018-12-12 15:25:14 UTC  

@Obungus Atheists can live a moral life

2018-12-12 15:25:38 UTC  

no

2018-12-12 15:25:53 UTC  

if morals don't really exist then you can not possibly live by them

2018-12-12 15:26:46 UTC  

It's pretty easy to think off 2 lists with actions that are moral and not

2018-12-12 15:27:01 UTC  

Based on those lists we can assign morals

2018-12-12 15:27:13 UTC  

but if good and evil don't exist then it's all subjective

2018-12-12 15:27:23 UTC  

so you can live by your own standards

2018-12-12 15:27:32 UTC  

but it can't be defined as morality

2018-12-12 15:31:46 UTC  

Education gives most people, at least atheists an idea of what's good and bad

2018-12-12 15:33:33 UTC  

So based off that you could say that atheists can still believe in good and evil but reject the idea of god

2018-12-12 15:34:15 UTC  

but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.

2018-12-12 15:35:08 UTC  

@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good