Message from @Lola
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a world with no religion, so basically mass degeneracy and trannyism, potentially a lack of societal and technological progress and falling into a downward spiral where the lifespan stops at 20 because people are nihilists and see who can cut themselves the deepest the fastst to be edgy
That ain't true nihilism, Nihilism seeks to replace religion with culture and the arts as a framework of morality.
I'm a religious man myself, I'm not an edgy atheist teen but Nihilism can make sense if you dont believe in a God as a moral compass.
Even Nietzsche saw the value of religious order despite his distaste of it.
I won’t lie when I say a lot of religion definitely promotes good values and gives people a sense of hope and community
I just have a distaste’s for cults that attempt to control every aspect of people’s lives
Ones like Jehovah’s witnesses
free will does not exist
@el pebble how do you know that?
@Bogatyr Bogumir There might is a god, but so far, no religion is convincing enough for me to believe in some specific god.
I used to be an Orthodox Christian.
And there are also many moral atheists.
This is a very retarded stereotype. If you're an athesi you will either be gay or degenerate.
Not true.
The problem with atheism is the lack of morals. Atheistic thinking doesn't allow for absolute rights and wrongs. Thus atheism often leads to faggotry and degeneracy. Although all atheist aren't faggots or degenerates, mainly because of religious cultural influence, virtually all faggots and degenerates are atheists.
From a purely atheistic perspective, there is no way of reasoning why killing and eating your mother is wrong, because you will get nutrients and whatnot. Morality is inherently religious, even if you don't consciously believe in God.
Two can not walk together unless they have first agreed to meet.
no
if morals don't really exist then you can not possibly live by them
Based on those lists we can assign morals
but if good and evil don't exist then it's all subjective
so you can live by your own standards
but it can't be defined as morality
Education gives most people, at least atheists an idea of what's good and bad
So based off that you could say that atheists can still believe in good and evil but reject the idea of god
but again, without something to make anything evil or good it isn't really morality. Just a subjective concept.
@Obungus but my point is that atheists actually do have something to make anything evil or good
but it isn't objective so it doesn't really matter all that much
So what's objective according to you
If this isn't objective "God's" morals would also be subjective
And again based on reason and science atheists can have morals
You can have a standard that doesn't change
but unless that thing undoubtedly defines good and evil it can not possibly be seen as an objective moral standard
God is an objective moral standard because He is unchanging and the definition of goodness
And where do God's morals come from
His natural attributes
Because he commands it?
no because He is it
His nature is what is good and seeing as God is immutable this means His morality is objective